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Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by o11c on Monday January 29, 2024 @02:59PM (#39181624)
In particular, "anonymous speech is required if you want to have free speech" is actually a very niche position, not a mainstream one. It just happens to be widely spammed in certain online cultures.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by paulddraper on Monday January 29, 2024 @03:08PM (#39181773)
Correct.

I am staunch believer in the moral and societal good of free speech.

Anonymous speech is far more dubious.

Like, protests seem valuable. Protests while wearing robes and masks however...

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by TillE on Monday January 29, 2024 @04:37PM (#39183028)
> Protests while wearing robes and masks however

This is absolutely permitted in America. It is illegal in countries like Germany which have no strong free speech protections.

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by jonathankoren on Monday January 29, 2024 @05:40PM (#39183773)
No. It is not "absolutely permitted in America".

They're Klan Acts, because a bunch of guys in masks and robes marching through is obviously a threat of violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by jcranmer on Monday January 29, 2024 @08:42PM (#39185379)
Those laws are frequently overturned as unconstitutional, but may still remain on the books because we don't do a good job of clearing out laws that were ruled unconstitutional.

As a general rule of thumb, almost every time someone brings an edge case about whether or not speech is First Amendment-privileged before SCOTUS, SCOTUS rules in favor of the speech. (The main exception is speech of students in school.) SCOTUS hasn't specifically ruled on anti-mask laws to my knowledge, but I strongly doubt it would uphold those laws.

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by jonathankoren on Monday January 29, 2024 @09:05PM (#39185555)
The last court case was 2004, and the New York anti-mask was upheld.

You don’t have to pontificate. The link was right there.

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by whiddershins on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:45PM (#39186177)
Random aside, I haven’t seen NY enforce the anti mask legislation during the Halloween parade, various protests, or Covid. So I bet a new constitutional challenge could be erected.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by jonathankoren on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:55PM (#39186517)
You're trolling right?
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by chasd00 on Monday January 29, 2024 @06:30PM (#39184229)
There’s no issue protesting in masks. Antifa did it all the time with no repercussions.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by protocolture on Monday January 29, 2024 @09:10PM (#39185578)
Protests while wearing robes and masks protect the protester from followup action, and it also protects their families.

If you assume a just government that doesnt demand revenge for every petty slight, you are living in a fantasy land.

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by harimau777 on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:16PM (#39186350)
There are places where it wouldn't be safe to protest without masks. In that case people effectively would be losing their freedom of speech if it isn't anonymous.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by TillE on Monday January 29, 2024 @04:36PM (#39183012)
America has a very long tradition of anonymity being part of free speech, going back to the Federalist Papers. This is not some new online issue.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by unethical_ban on Monday January 29, 2024 @09:03PM (#39185533)
Wealthy, politically connected men with the ability to read and write about political philosophy and get it distributed is a bit different situation than a thousand Russian AI trollbots posting bad-faith "opinions" on American current events.