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Re:The Plot Against Einstein by wasimanitoba on Sunday January 28, 2024 @11:43AM (#39167373)
No group would or should have to tolerate a foreign state being established on their soil at gunpoint by colonial powers.

> the Arab countries decided to wage war in Israel after the UN proposed the two state solution

- That doesn't make sense. Israel didn't exist until it was established.

- The Arabs didn't voluntarily leave their villages.

- And during 1947, the Arabs ejected from the Arab side of the UN partition line did not leave because they wanted to give more land to Israel or because of the Arab League intervention a year later in 1948.....They left because of ethnic cleansing by Jewish religious extremists.

> other founding figures in Zionism called for peace and integration in the Middle East.

To the contrary, Israeli leadership wanted all of Palestine and the UN plan was treated as a stepping stone toward Greater Israel.

The current Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu also rejects a two state solution, insisting for decades that only Israeli sovereignty should be allowed between the Jordan River and the Sea.

Re:The Plot Against Einstein by throwaway8877 on Sunday January 28, 2024 @12:40PM (#39167924)
I'm sorry to remind you that Isreael has never been native territory for Arabs. It was the land that was taken by war and genocide from Christians who earlier, as Romans, took it the same way from Jews. If anything then it is a native Jewish land on what Arabs tried to establish their state.
Re:The Plot Against Einstein by zilti on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:49PM (#39171588)
Ah yes, "we lived here 2000 years ago, so you have no right to be here"
Re:The Plot Against Einstein by throwaway8877 on Sunday January 28, 2024 @12:52PM (#39168042)
The aim of Arab war against Jews was complete extermination of Jews in Israel and they requested Arabs in the area to leave with the promise that they can get part of Jewish property when they return after the war.

Many still stayed and large part of them participated in attacks against Jews (in a genocidal war, mind you) and decided to flee when the war was decided in fear of retribution. How many of them figured it out on their own and how many had to be reminded by active measures, is disputed.

Re:The Plot Against Einstein by jsmith99 on Sunday January 28, 2024 @01:14PM (#39168218)
Colonial powers? Like the Ottomans? (The previous rulers)
Re:The Plot Against Einstein by tptacek on Sunday January 28, 2024 @05:30PM (#39170480)
The countries we're referring to were generally all established colonially, in many cases very close in time to the establishment of Israel.
Re:The Plot Against Einstein by DSingularity on Monday January 29, 2024 @03:22AM (#39174017)
While Israel does have a present problem with religious extremists I take issue with the characterization of the Irgun, Haganah, Levi and other terrorist groups that conducted the ethnic cleansing as “religious extremists”.

These were terrorist thugs. They had an objective and they naturally used violence to achieve it. Whatever “religious” views they may or may not have had are secondary. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine was conducted by violent terrorists who wanted to create a country that they dominated.

We can discuss and debate whether their religious views follows from or causes the Zionist terrorism that has prevailed for the past century separately. It’s a valid discussion point but in the context of the ongoing genocide and ethnics cleansing all it does is muddy the waters for many people.