Re:I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do
by askonomm on Sunday January 28, 2024 @08:29AM
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Salary comparisons without accounting for cost of living is entirely useless and means nothing.
Re:I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do
by hrududuu on Sunday January 28, 2024 @08:48AM
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Meh, you can come up with twenty different methodologies and they all point to coming out way way behind in Finland. SF -> Finland immigrant, took approximately 70% pay cut, and enjoying the 80% marginal tax rate.
The health of democracy is way better than the US at least.
Re:I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do
by askonomm on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:03AM
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Consumer prices are 35% lower in Finland, rent prices are 70% lower in Finland, when comparing to SF.
Re:I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do
by chasd00 on Sunday January 28, 2024 @10:05AM
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> Consumer prices are 35% lower in Finland, rent prices are 70% lower in Finland, when comparing to SF.
When comparing to SF, 90% of the planet is that much more affordable. Sheesh there’s more to the world than the plight of San Francisco.
Re:I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do
by askonomm on Sunday January 28, 2024 @10:12AM
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Who I was responding to said they are from SF, hence why I compared data to SF.
Re:I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do
by chasd00 on Monday January 29, 2024 @08:06PM
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My bad
Re:I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do
by hrududuu on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:49AM
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Consumer prices are not lower in Finland, although VAT is responsible for a lot of the difference, to be fair. Yeah, sales tax in Finland is 24%. I've been in both places in the last year, cried when I bought my used Toyota here.
Rent indeed is 70% lower, but you lose by having 70% lower rent and 70% lower salary. Besides, median salaries in Finland are 15% of what they are in SF (staff swe at 500k vs 90k). And the tax burden is way lower, even in CA. Finland has a lot going for it, but there's just no point in debating the money part.
Re:I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do
by askonomm on Sunday January 28, 2024 @10:11AM
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Do you have a source? My stats are from: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou..., but I'm happy to learn of more correct info on this topic.
Finland is terrific! Learning the language is tough, and recommended, but ultimately optional for white collar migrants. The lower salaries here are unfortunate - I make a third of what I could make as a software lead in the US (~50k vs ~150k). Doubly so as there really is a lot of top notch engineering talent here, probably because it's so hard to hire people that FTEs end up having to learn a lot about everything lol. I haven't yet carved a path to make US level money while living in Finland - but you'd better believe it's on my list of things to beeline towards once I hit my thirties.