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Re:Pentagon ex-UFO chief says conspiracy theorists in govern... by rocgf on Saturday January 27, 2024 @12:31PM (#39157642)
I left another top-level comment, but I am pasting it here as well, just for you to enjoy.

Whatever the truth may be, we now have people testifying in Congress - under oath - that the UFO phenomenon is real. David Grusch has gone through the official whistleblower process in order to make this happen, and there have been private briefings with the ICIG and members of Congress, who have given credence to his claims [1].

So while it's difficult to know what the truth is at this point in time, it's either that aliens are real or there are a lot of nutjobs in the US government.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower...

Re:Pentagon ex-UFO chief says conspiracy theorists in govern... by juunpp on Saturday January 27, 2024 @12:56PM (#39157947)
> the UFO phenomenon is real

What do you mean by this? Recordings of shit in the sky doesn't mean aliens. In that sense, it's obvious that the phenomenon is real.

Re:Pentagon ex-UFO chief says conspiracy theorists in govern... by krapp on Saturday January 27, 2024 @02:00PM (#39158657)
Grusch doesn't know anything, he only repeats what he's been told, and what he's been told comes from the same group of Skinwalker Ranch/UFO grifters that have been blowing smoke up the backsides of Schumer and other credulous dupes for years. There is no reason to believe aliens are real in this scenario, or that whatever goes on in private briefings involves "real evidence" of such, as opposed to just passing on more nonsense that happens to be classified (like a lot of the already debunked UAP videos.)

Just because someone says something under oath, doesn't mean it's true. Just because someone says something in a SCIF, doesn't mean it's true. Just because a video seems to show a weird light or an orb or a triangle and the government says it hasn't been tampered with, doesn't mean the government is admitting that it shows proof of actual extraterrestrial craft.

The scenario presented in TFA is the simplest explanation that makes the most sense, even more so than it all being a distraction or intentional psyop to fool the Chinese or Russians. Maybe at the core of everything, there is some exotic foreign drone activity the Navy wants people to feel free to report, but the stigma of "UFOs" has gotten in the way. I can see some of this being part of a campaign by the military to make the phenomenon credible for the sake of national security, but not because actual aliens are involved.

Re:Pentagon ex-UFO chief says conspiracy theorists in govern... by hackerlight on Saturday January 27, 2024 @03:47PM (#39159680)
> intentional psyop to fool the Chinese or Russians

It might be partly that, but I don't think it's only that. Because Grusch says that Russians and Chinese themselves have the tech and are considering disclosure. Russia and China will know that's false, making it self-defeating.

Re:Pentagon ex-UFO chief says conspiracy theorists in govern... by rocgf on Saturday January 27, 2024 @06:32PM (#39160944)
David Grusch is supposedly in the process of writing an op-ed in which he reveals more about his actual knowledge. He was not allowed to talk publicly about his actual involvement.

As to "for the sake of national security", I am really not buying this angle. There are plenty of scarecrows to use for increased spending - Russia, China, Middle East, North Korea. The media has not covered this topic at all. You would expect more engagement if this was really a push for more money.

Re:Pentagon ex-UFO chief says conspiracy theorists in govern... by moron4hire on Saturday January 27, 2024 @12:57PM (#39157969)
I work with a lot of DoD analysts. The vast majority are ex-military, having spent time at the Pentagon doing basically the same job they do at our company now. And they are all, to the last one, some version of nutty.