Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire
by slibhb on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:28PM
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Hamas can't go toe-to-toe with the IDF. They are hiding in tunnels and among civilians, so these ratios aren't surprising.
To some extent, you can't blame Hamas for these tactics. They would quickly lose a conventional war. At the same time, if you have zero chance of winning a military victory, perhaps you shouldn't use violence to pursue your political goals...
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire
by runarberg on Friday January 26, 2024 @04:07PM
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Then they shouldn’t. That’s the simple answer of it. If they want to get rid of Hamas they will need to find another way. This level of civilian casualty is unacceptable. And as proven by the ICJ decision, it is not accepted.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire
by SomeoneFromCA on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:34PM
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Yes right, if israel is unable to fight conventional war, without massive disproportional amount of civil casualties, they should not probably engage in one.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire
by llamaLord on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:59PM
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Looking at the historical data, that tends to be a pattern of urban warfare, not the IDF.
Civilian/combatant fatality ratios of 3/1 are not uncommon in urban warfare.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire
by SomeoneFromCA on Friday January 26, 2024 @04:33PM
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As if we know how many Hamas fighters have been killed at the first place.
According to the official stats there is like 259 IDF casualties during the land operation. Which means that death ratio is 30:1 wrt to supposed 8000 Hamas death.Laughable.
Even then, military necessity of killing combatants, not actively particpating in the war is not justified. Yes, you can kill those, who is shooting the rockets at Tel-Aviv, but bombing willy-nilly all of Gaza just because there might be tunnels, where potential combatants might be hiding,. is not acceptable, although not am not an international law lawer.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire
by runarberg on Friday January 26, 2024 @05:21PM
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Well, it is not acceptable, and it seems like the ICJ has, indeed, not accepted it.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire
by nvm0n2 on Friday January 26, 2024 @04:12PM
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That wasn't their choice ...
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire
by SomeoneFromCA on Friday January 26, 2024 @04:20PM
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"No choice" is how all genocidaires justified their actions.
- 766 / 1200 = 63.8%
Of course, the numbers claimed by other NGOs / UN make it worse. But Israel's numbers are sufficient to make that claim.
[1] - https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/middleeast/israel-hamas-m...