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Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by tehjoker on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:00PM (#39146531)
I'm Jewish and I believe that Palestine should be a single democratic state that guarantees rights to all. No one has a right to an ethnostate, not even us. You see directly where this thinking leads — genocide.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by charred_patina on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:53PM (#39147317)
As a westerner, I have never heard a single person in the western sphere mention a peaceful, non-occupational one state solution. How common is the idea of a democratic single state solution in Israeli politics? Do the advocates for it have a plan for dealing with the backlash from extremists on both sides? I'd like to read more about it. Now in the west it seems like even the two-state solution isn't up for discussion post-Trump.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by tehjoker on Friday January 26, 2024 @04:11PM (#39148449)
It is a marginal opinion, but in my view the only one that offers a chance at real peace.

Here's a piece on it:

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/one-democratic-state-pale...

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by toyg on Friday January 26, 2024 @06:02PM (#39150009)
The idea is common, but is rejected by the Israeli mainstream because they fear demographic changes - Palestinians are poor, so they have bigger families, hence eventually they would outnumber ethnic Jews and <insert fear here>.

If this sounds very similar to "great replacement" fears in US and Europe, it's because it is based on the exact same principles: the concept that a state's ethnic composition should be fundamentally immutable, and it's legitimate to fight against any threat to this immutability with discriminatory laws (or worse).

Unsurprisingly, that means that the European right, these days, have largely dropped their traditional antisemitism, and will happily share a platform with the Israeli government. The fact that a purposely Jewish state now cooperates with the heirs of Hitler and Mussolini should surely appear revolting to Israeli citizens. Alas, it does not.

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by alexisread on Friday January 26, 2024 @07:25PM (#39150864)
Funnily enough, these arguments also deliberately ignore second generations, which by virtue of living in the country, they form a more cohesive identity based on the country itself, so diluting this ethnic composition in usually a positive fashion.
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Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by shilgapira on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:33PM (#39147879)
> What are their chances of surviving in an Arab-dominated Palestine?

Absolutely zero, and the people proposing this know that. That tells you all you need to know, really.

[1] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/maps/jew...

Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by Sporktacular on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:38PM (#39147962)
Okay. So get behind a two-state solution then.
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Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by Sporktacular on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:37PM (#39147942)
How it is is not the same as how some would wish it to be.
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by exe34 on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:08PM (#39146665)
Last time the Palestinians in Gaza got a vote, they voted Hamas, which has a charter based on eradication of the Jews. Are you sure you want them voting in the same state as you?
Re:ICJ Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide Without Cease-Fire by tehjoker on Friday January 26, 2024 @02:13PM (#39146744)
You must recognize that Hamas was elected after the continuous failure of the PLO to win concessions after Oslo, which abandoned the guiding principles of International Law in favor of "trusting the parties", but Israel, the more powerful party was able to dictate terms. A return to root cause analysis combined with the just principles of international law will see a fair deal. Arabs do not want to fight, they just want to be able to go home.

The fascist behavior I see coming from Israelis is completely repulsive and against everything I thought my religion stood for.

From the Hamas charter (2017).

"6. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full