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Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by manojlds on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:25PM (#39136254)
What do you mean jealousy? Most Android users that come here could afford an iPhone if they want to.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by matwood on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:29PM (#39136294)
IDK. Android exists and is closer to the open model people here seem to want, yet the same people appear to knowingly still buy iPhones and complain it's not like Android.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by manojlds on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:37PM (#39136395)
Mainly because Apple hardware is amazing. I used to run Windows on Bootcamp on my MacBook and loved it and now Windows is worse, Apple Silicon is just way better. If Apple didn't allow me to install outside the AppStore on my MacBook I will complain as well and hopefully you won't be like "IDK, Windows exists"
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by matwood on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:14PM (#39136786)
> If Apple didn't allow me to install outside the AppStore on my MacBook I will complain as well and hopefully you won't be like "IDK, Windows exists"

If Apple suddenly changed Macs, sure. But, iOS has always been this way. Anyone who bought an iOS device over the last decade+ knows exactly the limitations and how it works. Android exists for those who want more open, yet the market has shown ~50% don't care about Android level openness.

I think it's wrong to legislate something just because it doesn't work how I want it to work, especially when an alternative does exist and consumers have spoken with their money.

Of course, this would be different if Android and iOS operated the same, or one had an overwhelming majority of the market. Because then consumers wouldn't have a choice.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by andersa on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:24PM (#39136869)
> I think it's wrong to legislate something just because it doesn't work how I want it to work

What absolute nonsense is this? That is literally the entire point of legislation, to change things that aren't working how we want them to, for example to be more beneficial to society. Apple stealing money from a huge market isn't helping anyone so we fix it. Simple as.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by matwood on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:31PM (#39136929)
I said how I want them to work, not what is beneficial to society. Societal benefit is hard to balance and define. Don't assume what you want is automatically better for society as a whole.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by andersa on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:36PM (#39136978)
I assume our politicians already spent significant time thinking about this before coming up with the DMA. But okay, I'll bite. How does it benefit society for Apple to steal 30% of everyone's transactions?
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by gwright on Friday January 26, 2024 @09:27AM (#39142943)
> That is literally the entire point of legislation, to change things that aren't working how we want them to, for example to be more beneficial to society.

Where do you get this idea? What is the limit on this principle? The DMA that you keep referring to is an European legal framework. Is it your opinion that everyone must bow down to what European legislators and regulators deem "beneficial"?

An argument that derives entirely from the idea that "the government has decided it is beneficial" is unpersuasive, IMHO.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by wrboyce on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:46PM (#39136492)
That doesn’t seem like something to legislate over to me though. “Your hardware is too good, you’re going to have to change the associated business model”? Madness, shouldn’t the onus just be on Android phone manufacturers to up their game? It’s not like Apple got where they are with iPhones for free, they heavily invested and are now enjoying the fruits.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by wrboyce on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:38PM (#39136409)
I didn’t mean “they can’t afford it” jealousy, but from my experience the quality of apps on iOS is significantly higher than Android, that’s what I was going for; jealous of the “polish”, if you will.

Then again that could be because I’m used to iOS and find the Android UX patterns poor at best.