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Re:Brains are not required to think or solve problems – simp... by jebarker on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:37AM (#39128143)
It definitely seems like aspects of conscious experience are just more parts of the world model, e.g. we experience having a continual visual view of the world through our eyes, like watching a movie, but we know that's not what is actually happening physically.

Where I get confused though is this sentence: "...the story that our self-model comes up to explain (and help predict) our reactions to ourselves". What is "ourselves" here? That implies some observer that the self-model is explaining things to.

Re:Brains are not required to think or solve problems – simp... by evv555 on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:03AM (#39128287)
Speaking in the context of thinkers like Harris this is the reason why awareness is differentiated from consciousness. Consciousness is the ability to grasp the world "out there". Awareness is the blank canvas where consciousness is experienced. The analogy here is a movie projected onto a movie screen. Consciousness is the movie being played. The screen is the blank space of experience where the movie is projected. I think the confusion is there is no logically consistent differentiation of concepts like intelligence, consciousness, awareness in the sciences and they end up being used interchangeably.
Re:Brains are not required to think or solve problems – simp... by jebarker on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:11AM (#39128324)
Thanks, the distinction between awareness and consciousness is definitely something I've overlooked. I tend to think of them interchangeably.
Re:Brains are not required to think or solve problems – simp... by tsimionescu on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:13AM (#39128334)
> Where I get confused though is this sentence: "...the story that our self-model comes up to explain (and help predict) our reactions to ourselves". What is "ourselves" here? That implies some observer that the self-model is explaining things to.

That is a good point, language is pretty important in these things. I just meant "ourselves" as the overall brain/mind. That is, the self-model component just feeds these models into the planning component, so that the planning component can decide the next actions to take.