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Re:IPv6 Excuse Bingo by exabrial on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:01AM (#39105128)
* Literally any problem ipv6 has, has already been solved and the solutions work just fine. Here we are. Literally everything is working fine.

* Literally offers no upsides to the consumer, only potential downsides

* ipv6 enabled devices don't live up the promise of "data center free vacuum robots", even though that's what everyone is screaming is the purpose

* Private devices should not be exposed to the internet anyway, nor individually identifiable when they use the internet

* IPv6 Privacy protections are less powerful than ipv4 NAT.

* Google/Facebook/Everyone pushing ipv6 the hardest has reasons to invade your privacy, therefore I suggest we do the exact opposite of what they want us to do with our personal lives and networks

I'm not opposed to new tech, but ipv6 for ipv6's sake is stupid. I just block it everywhere I can and move on with life.

Re:IPv6 Excuse Bingo by ndriscoll on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:38AM (#39105707)
> Literally offers no upsides to the consumer, only potential downsides

Having globally routable addresses is a pretty big upside. For nerdy types, it means you can run web/game servers at home (i.e. without needing a credit card), which is a way for kids to develop their technical interests.

For the rest of society, getting rid of NAT is a requirement to allow seamless p2p apps to work without needing to use giant corporations in the surveillance business as an intermediary. Instead of being jerked around with Google moving people onto their 15th video chat app with potato quality, we have the necessary foundation to be able to directly connect with your counterpart. This could be completely seamless with e.g. a DHT to locate your contact's devices (or gossip if you can reach at least one that you already knew about, to maximize privacy) and uPnP or hole punching to their address to open your router's firewall.

NAT forces centralization for our foundational ability to communicate, which robs everyone of their autonomy in ways that are so pervasive it's increasingly hard to imagine another world. But that other world is still possible.

Re:IPv6 Excuse Bingo by bnabholz on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @11:50PM (#39126298)
Agreed! But as IPv4 with NAT has an implicit "deny all inbound" firewall rule, in the IPv6 world many routers will default to "deny all inbound" to any "inside" IPv6 addresses. So game servers may benefit from an outside coordination server (so bidirectional traffic can flow) but unsolicited inbound traffic to web servers would still require some configuration at the firewall.

Absolutely in the P2P case it is fantastic. IPv6 effectively guarantees direct connection for WebRTC audio/video, VPNs like Tailscale, etc. However there is still some necessity for video services that can provide a Selective Forwarding Unit, for instance once you get 5+ people in a video chat, you want a server in the middle to mediate and rescale video to manage the experience for all participants. But for sure it is better for everyone for 1-on-1 chats to be able to establish the connection without an intermediary, and that underscores what the Internet is all about.

Re:IPv6 Excuse Bingo by Arch485 on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:18AM (#39105361)
1. This is not true. IPv4 address exhaustion has not been "solved". NAT _works_, but causes tons of problems.

2. Also false. Upsides include more speed (due to ISPs usually having newer infra for IPv6), cheaper addresses (for people who want static ones), and I'm sure there are more benefits I can't think of.

3. This one is true, but I've never heard anyone say that's why we need IPv6 (that could just be me though).

4. Then don't expose them to the internet. Your network is still behind a router/firewall, and the device in question (hopefully) can be configured.

5. I'm not sure what you mean by "less powerful" here - NAT was never good at protecting privacy anyways. Anyone who wants to track you has been doing it without IP for a long time. Further, you can still have a NAT if you want one, and IPv6 offers random/temporary addresses.

6. True! Big tech has a vested interest in undermining our privacy, but please see above. I also think, in this instance, it's genuinely because IPv6 is better than 4.

Re:IPv6 Excuse Bingo by xinayder on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:30AM (#39105566)
IPv6 has tons of improvements over IPv4. It seems like you're opposed to v6 because of the work you need to do in your systems to make them v6 ready. Does it cost you anything, really?