Re:Are electric vehicles cheaper to own? Maybe not
by bryanlarsen on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:16AM
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> After ten years of daily use a lithium battery will have lost 50% of its capacity
No it won't. If your degradation is that bad, you would have been able to replace the battery before the warranty was up. Most manufacturers are similar, but Tesla has a 70%/7 year battery warranty. Any battery that will hit 50% in 10 years would hit 70% in 7 years and you would have had it replaced.
And obviously Tesla sets the warranty at a level where it doesn't expect to replace many batteries.
Re:Are electric vehicles cheaper to own? Maybe not
by semiquaver on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @12:40PM
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I had a look at the warranty and it says that they will not install a new battery, just one that gets you to the minimum of the promised degradation range:
> For warranty claims specific to Battery capacity, the replacement Battery will be in a condition appropriate to the age and mileage of the vehicle sufficient to achieve or exceed the minimum Battery capacity for the remainder of the warranty period of the original Battery. Note that the vehicle’s range estimates are an imperfect measure of Battery capacity because they are affected by additional factors separate from Battery capacity. The measurement method used to determine Battery capacity, and the decision of whether to repair, replace, or provide reconditioned or remanufactured parts, and the condition of any such replaced, reconditioned or remanufactured parts, are at the sole discretion of Tesla.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_3_...
Re:Are electric vehicles cheaper to own? Maybe not
by rlpb on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:55AM
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Batteries tend to degrade to around 80% and then stay there. This is apparently the generally accepted trend now, but my anecdotal evidence matches: my Leaf is now nine years old and still has just over 80% of its capacity left.
I wonder how battery degradation factors in to this. After ten years of daily use, a well-maintained Toyota will continue to cost very little in maintenance, but a lithium battery will have lost 50% of its capacity. How does the need to replace a battery affect TCO? Or is the assumption that no one will own a car that long?