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Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by paxys on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @09:59AM (#39104157)
No, because AI is (for now at least) shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe. Is it really "evolution" if a judge can rule that it violates copyright and stop all progress overnight? Or a random developer can add a bit of code to make sure the answers appease the right set of people?

What we have today is a crude software approximation mimicking what we think AI should be, but that AI itself is nowhere in sight.

Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by digging on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:41AM (#39105758)
> shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe

This logic doesn't hold. Humans are part of the universe and obey all its laws. It's arbitrary to say bacteria and bonobos and stone tools are naturally occurring but AI aren't. We distinguish them because we're conscious and we have the experience of choice, but to say our creations aren't natural to the universe implies that our consciousness is not a natural phenomenon.

Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by moate on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @05:14PM (#39110702)
It feels like you’re simply stating the predators and outside influences that are affecting AI’s evolution. Humans killed the dodo, maybe we kill the AI next
Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by louthy on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:15AM (#39104430)
> No, because AI is (for now at least) shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe

Aren’t humans part of the universe’s rules? What makes AI development any less ‘free’ than any other emergent property?

Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by basil-rash on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:04AM (#39104230)
What makes you confident our evolution didn’t occur the same way? The “fossil records” of the two are similar in many ways: lots of baby steps, giant leap with no known intermediary states, lots of baby steps, …
Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:13AM (#39104390)
> giant leap with no known intermediary states

That's just evidence of absent records, not that there are no records.

Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by basil-rash on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:13AM (#39104394)
Yes and?
Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:15AM (#39104441)
And if we're building off a bad initial premise it weakens the whole argument. "AI could be evolving just like us!" doesn't make sense when we don't know how we evolved.
Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by basil-rash on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:20AM (#39104520)
The initial argument was just as bad: “AI can’t be evolving like us”, when we have no clue how we evolved.

All I’m doing is calling out the intellectual dishonesty is making any claims about something we know nothing of.

Re:Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in ... by ta8645 on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @10:05AM (#39104256)
> (for now at least)

Yeah, a lot of people get hung up on the term AI as it exists today, and protesting that it doesn't deserve such consideration. I should have been more explicit that I was speaking in the much more general sense, and on an evolutionary timescale, not about technology we'd recognize today.