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Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by lazide on Saturday January 20, 2024 @10:11PM (#39075171)
Uh, you might want to reconsider who you’re talking to. I’ve run 40 amp 240v split phase and 3 phase in North America (permitted) for personal projects. I’m well aware.

No one installs L30R/L6-30R receptacles in the US for ‘normal’ (as in used by a human for random stuff) use as standard practice, because yes - most of the time no one needs it. Maximum power for a normal 120/20 amp branch circuit is 2.4kw, and that’s 7.2kw. The most I’ve ever actually had a use for in a residential building was 50 amp @ 240v (arc gouging), but I did setup 50 amp @ 480v for a massive CNC milling machine once.

And when someone does, it’s a special case.

Most of Europe and Asia, they have receptacles that can handle that kind of load. And many other wiring changes.

But they also don’t really use them to capacity very often either.

But it is convenient to be able to run a decent welder off a normal house outlet in Germany or Singapore if you want.

Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by philwelch on Sunday January 21, 2024 @04:29AM (#39076961)
> Uh, you might want to reconsider who you’re talking to. I’ve run 40 amp 240v split phase and 3 phase in North America (permitted) for personal projects. I’m well aware.

Sorry about that, but I’m not sure how you expected me to know that about you or why we’re arguing about tea kettles. I think I inferred more disagreement from context than we actually have. Do we actually disagree about anything here or are we all good? At the very least I think we’re on the same page about washing machines, which was the original point of contention here.

And yes, the point about welding is a good one; higher voltage standards are a lot more convenient for that.

Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by Symbiote on Sunday January 21, 2024 @05:36AM (#39077291)
"Normal" high power portable devices in Europe are 2-3kW electric heaters (generally an expensive way to heat a house, but OK if you're heating a single room) and older and less efficient vacuum cleaners (2kW).

Maybe also a very high spec gaming PC, which here could run (monitors and all) from a single outlet. Would tripping the breaker have been a concern at a 2000s LAN party in the USA? I have no idea.

In some countries it's common to have a 400V (3 phase) socket in the garage. Excellent for car charging, but that is also OK from 230V. That is probably by far the biggest current benefit of 230V everywhere. Charge the car at a decent speed at that holiday cottage in the mountains.

Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by masklinn on Sunday January 21, 2024 @01:27PM (#39081163)
> In some countries it's common to have a 400V (3 phase) socket in the garage.

And the kitchen, for electric ranges.

Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by ghostly_s on Monday January 22, 2024 @04:12PM (#39095535)
> The most I’ve ever actually had a use for in a residential building was 50 amp @ 240v (arc gouging)

Having never heard of it until now I’m very curious what the use-case for a residential arc gouging machine is.