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Re:Open-relationship enthusiasts crash mainstream romance apps by kromem on Friday January 19, 2024 @06:15PM (#39062711)
Fun covert narcissism fact 1: Covert narcissism (with focus on both grandiose and shame) has a statistically significant greater relative amount of personal reference in writing (how often they talk about themselves vs others).

Fun covert narcissism fact 2: The Apostle Paul, the "I'm the least of the apostles" and "I'm not less than the greatest apostles" guy, has a startlingly significant amount of personal reference in his authentic letters as compared to the non-Pauline Epistles to the point the Corinthians even seemingly commented on how much he talks about himself.

Re:Open-relationship enthusiasts crash mainstream romance apps by thr0way120 on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:54PM (#39064196)
Judas fits the covert narcissist persona. He gains your trust then betrays you in the worst way imaginable.

Reading this thread has been fascinating.

Most people have never experienced it.

If you have been through it, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

Everyone else: "Nah thats normal."

WHAT HAPPENED TO ME IS NOT FUCKING NORMAL

Re:Open-relationship enthusiasts crash mainstream romance apps by joseph8th on Friday January 19, 2024 @10:52PM (#39064490)
If it's not normal, then we can't extrapolate generalities from it, either. It's just an anecdote. One dude's anecdote. On the internet.
Re:Open-relationship enthusiasts crash mainstream romance apps by jstarfish on Saturday January 20, 2024 @06:11PM (#39073467)
Your experience was undeniably terrible and her behavior is highly unethical (yet not criminal...) but you're simply incorrect in ascribing this to a particular clinical disorder. She's found a grift that works. That makes her a grifter, not a Narcissist.

Want to meet a real Narcissist? Go talk to any businessman convicted of fraud who continues to insist they're the greatest investment advisor ever, they did nothing wrong and everyone is just out to get them.

Or the covetous types who complain that everyone else has nicer things than them and so they deserve to have even better things-- for no real reason. They're not hardworking or successful, but they expect all the rewards of a lifetime of labor to just be handed to them because they deserve it. Your abuser was willing to actually do the work of fleecing people.

I get where you're coming from-- she exhibits behaviors from the covert Narcissism checklist. This is not the only diagnosis these behaviors are associated with. If that helps you name-and-tame the trauma, more power to you-- I started there myself and have since found the world of behavioral analysis is not limited to the domain of Narcissism. For example, autism is easily confused with Narcissism (not that I'm saying it applies here).

Re:Open-relationship enthusiasts crash mainstream romance apps by jstarfish on Saturday January 20, 2024 @05:54PM (#39073326)
> Covert narcissism (with focus on both grandiose and shame) has a statistically significant greater relative amount of personal reference in writing (how often they talk about themselves vs others).

So does autism.

This pop-psychology crap needs to stop. It makes society a theocratic hell to live in.