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Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by LastNevadan on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:14AM (#39055641)
Calling Alternative for Germany "Nazis" is nonsense.

Countries have a right to set their own immigration policies, and many Europeans aren't happy with their respective countries' policies. So, they're voting for change, as is their right.

This whole thing of calling your enemies "Nazis" is useless. There are no more actual Nazis: the ones that were left after the war were disbanded. Putin is a Nazi! Trump is a Nazi! Zelensky is a Nazi! Nigel Farage is a Nazi! Viktor Orban is a Nazi! So much meaningless hyperbole.

Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by graemep on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:44AM (#39056049)
At the very least some people in AfD are extreme racists:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/16/germans-take-t...

Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by pjmlp on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:26AM (#39055812)
As someone old enough to have experienced the outcome of dictorship in Europe during the mid 1970's, those voters have no clue what they are getting into.

One would expect that with enough information about Salazar, Franco, DDR, Gaulle, Greek junta,... people would have learned, but no, they want those guys back.

Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by icelight on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:22AM (#39055772)
> Calling Alternative for Germany "Nazis" is nonsense. > > Countries have a right to set their own immigration policies, and many Europeans aren't happy with their respective countries' policies. So, they're voting for change, as is their right.

There are a lot of hyperbolic uses of the term, but the AfD is more and more openly fascist. Currently circulating in the media is a conference between AfD politicians and far right activists about how millions of people including germans with migrant parents could be deported to africa. That's not some kind of immigration policy, that's one more part of their plans for "racial purity".

Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by theGeatZhopa on Friday January 19, 2024 @12:05PM (#39057823)
Even more.. > Calling Alternative for Germany "Nazis" is nonsense. > > Countries have a right to set their own immigration policies, and many Europeans aren't happy with their respective countries' policies. So, they're voting for change, as is their right.

It's not like that we in Germany do not have immigration laws. So, what that people vote for?

> Countries have a right to set their own immigration policies, and many Europeans aren't happy with their respective countries' policies. So, they're voting for change, as is their right.

Why mix in Europe into that? We decided to be part of Europe and we have quite good experiences with that. Within Europe each one member of the European community is free to travel and work (with still some stoppers, like if you can't afford your life in xx, you have to leave after 3 months back to your European home country.)

That's the laws on European level, that the members needs to follow. All members wanted that laws once when forming the European ideas and laws.

So.. reading that all the countries should have a right to set their own rules.. yes! They should. In Europe it has been decided together with the member countries to have the immigration laws like they are. They used their opportunities to set their immigration laws on European level. May be, the writer of such sentences uses his opportunity to spread some EU-xit ideas supported by "every country should have.." .. yes .. But we're a community! And each try to break that bond - you guess, is the agenda of the right wing. They can't push their ideas, because EU law will be broken then. So, first break EU.. lol

Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by rad_gruchalski on Friday January 19, 2024 @03:41PM (#39060847)
> So, first break EU.. lol

But the party we are discussing here is openly anti-EU and would like that Germany leaves the EU.

Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by theGeatZhopa on Saturday January 20, 2024 @08:10PM (#39074405)
Yes, because they are right winged. They want it to be 1990 againm
Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by bakuninsbart on Friday January 19, 2024 @11:05AM (#39057023)
Last november, leading figures of the AfD met with Neo-Nazis to discuss plans on 're-migration'. AfD is without a doubt a fascist party, and would love to turn Germany back into a reactionary hellhole.

https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-...

Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by lheck on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:23AM (#39055775)
The AfD had a large secret meeting with right extremists discussing "re-migration" policy this last November, and many members have close ties to Neo-Nazis.
Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by bewo001 on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:31AM (#39055871)
By this they mean expulsion of all people -including citizens- who don't "look German" and people who support them. If this is not fascist, I don't know what is.
Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by theGeatZhopa on Friday January 19, 2024 @10:41AM (#39056755)
You may be dont see it. But they are Nazis. It's not like "all the voters for them are Nazis" or "all the party members are Nazis", but they are. Who supports the basic ideas of "Germans should be Germans first and the state is German and all the Germans should be on they own" is a Nazi. It's easy like that.

We have a lot right wing parties and organizations in Germany. Look up Wikipedia for that .. In former times, for example, THE REPS (die Republikaner) attracted a lot of Nazis and Patriots and right wing thinking. BUT! they did not have a chance to get into the legislation, nor, the opposition. Luckily, not enough voters for that.

So. What to do?

There is a new party founded called the alternative for Germany. The thinking there is conservative. A lot of people are conservative and the other parties in legislation offer not "enough of conservatism". So basically, alternative for Germany is the proper party for such people. But still, it's not enough to be voted in to legislation.

The problem with that, each one and each member knows it - if you want to get in to legislation, you need more voters. You can't get more people to think conservative within the population, so you have to form an alliance with other extreme thinking conservatives. And so, you'll put the right wing ideas into your program to attract such. "Together we're strong!" - it's an unspoken secret.

Also, if you look at the history of that party, it's scandals and it's inner fights for power and positioning and who left, who joined, who's is leading where - you will come into conclusions, they are Nazis.

And maybe, it needs a definition from my side, it's not that ones Nazis meant, which has been fought by the alliance of the West and East. They should be extincted by now. But they awful ideas prosper furthermore and always find some poor one to think they are a solution to his own problems. I use Nazi as a term for patriots, for the ones who say "we first".

Re:My Grandpa Was a Nazi by laserstrahl on Friday January 19, 2024 @09:25AM (#39055799)
I don’t recall.