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Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by kvdveer on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:21AM (#39038949)
Not sure you can compare humans and AI this way. It is quite possible that humans have coping mechanisms that AI does not (yet?) have.

Or to put it in your analogy, If I feed my cat milk, they'll throw up. That doesn't mean milk is unfit for human consumption.

Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by Almondsetat on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:51AM (#39039137)
The example with the pig is because they are famous for eating basically anything without a hitch.

If AI generated stuff is so bad you cannot train AI with it why would humans use it to train themselves (aka learn stuff)?

Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by gryn on Thursday January 18, 2024 @04:09AM (#39039629)
well it not really a good analogy because pigs are very robust and have existed a long time and 'AI'(LLMs) are very brittle fragile embryos that can die from a sneeze.

a more relevant analogy for llms is a bullshiter that don't know shit about anything but like talk about everything and they're good at that (talking like they know), I'm sure we all at least know or knew in the past someone like that.

at a low enough percentage these bullshiters can thrive and get praise from other people but when there a lot of them and not enough of the real deal, well everyone is in trouble including the bullshiters since they no longer have who to mimic.

Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by lynx23 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @06:05AM (#39040381)
The actual question seems to be if humans are more resilient to errors in their training data. I would assume so.
Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by ben_w on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:22AM (#39040847)
As a relative statement, I'm not sure if AI or humans are better or worse (or even "it depends on what you're measuring"), but in an absolute sense humans are also pretty suggestible and easy to influence, and it's only countervailing influences pushing in other directions that turn it into noise.

This space is where the Venn diagram of marketing and genocides overlap.

Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by mpweiher on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:06AM (#39039224)
Just because I might have coping mechanisms to deal with awful stuff doesn't mean I want to subject myself to awful stuff.
Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by KeplerBoy on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:28AM (#39038996)
milk is unfit for some humans though and I believe excessive AI interaction will come with it's own set of issues for parts of our society. I am of the AI companion startups, that shit can't and won't end pretty.
Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by raugustinus on Thursday January 18, 2024 @05:28AM (#39040132)
Maybe one should revise those thoughts. Apparently all of us will have issues with cow's milk. Some of us just have problems with even small amounts.

At least this is what our specilist at the hospital explained to us.

Re:Self-Consuming Generative Models Go MAD by chottocharaii on Thursday January 18, 2024 @06:24AM (#39040497)
The analogy is apt