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Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by janalsncm on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @11:23PM (#39023272)
Hard to say why it was downvoted but I can say it’s a highly unlikely scenario. You typically need a security clearance to view classified info.

Further, many employees at OpenAI may not even be US citizens, and even if they are, many others aren’t super enthusiastic about giving the Pentagon new toys to use.

Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by maxglute on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @11:28PM (#39023314)
OpenAI had/has 57 Chinese talent [1], they're probably getting the boot if OpenAI picks up Pentagon contracts.

https://macropolo2.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/20...

Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by lumost on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:36AM (#39023684)
For dual-use tech, its relatively common to have a small "government" division alongside the much larger commercial division. If the only difference for government is fine tuning data/DoD servers - it shouldn't cost OpenAI much to support.
Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by maxglute on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:08AM (#39027849)
People are escalating AI to strategic/end of world tier of dual use tech. Questionable if it will be treated the same way. OpenAI is not lockheed, but question is how much they value Pentagon contracts or really gov connections especially with all the regulation talk.
Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by lumost on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @01:30PM (#39031514)
There will certainly be DARPA and other grants to test if dedicated defense suppliers make sense. In some areas, the funding model may be easier as a pure defense initiative where the DoD could shell out 50-100 Billion for cross-service AI functionality.

In theory there is no reason why an individual soldier shouldn't be able to order an air strike, or be informed about inbound strikes on their position and how to react to those. Today, this is not possible due to the complex decisioning process for whether a target is worth a strike by X munition vs. Y munition and when. AI could simplify this process.

On the other hand, well funded open source and commercial companies may deliver faster and with higher quality. The DoD doesn't use bespoke databases, and microchips for a reason (except when they do).

Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by hackernewds on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @01:14AM (#39023897)
how did you even acquire this graph?
Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by maxglute on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:05AM (#39027816)
Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by kridsdale1 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @01:51AM (#39024149)
That would be a great loss of talent. I wish we could make it much easier for those top scientists to become American citizens.

Why assume they have loyalty to the CCP? They’re in California, presumably they like hot dogs, monster trucks, and bikinis.

Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by jack1243star on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @03:50AM (#39025091)
They also like their friends and family members alive and well.
Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by Am4TIfIsER0ppos on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:12AM (#39025784)
> Why assume they have loyalty to the CCP?

You answered

> They’re in California

Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by maxglute on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:11AM (#39027869)
>Why assume they have loyalty to the CCP

Because that's American NatSec for you. They rather train a white kid from Iowa to read Chinese poorly and do even worse analysis than risk giving advantage to adversaries. The domestic politics of latter is more unforgiving. Also see China Initiative persecuting PRC scholars. Pentagon contracts will come with strings attached, hidden or otherwise.

Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by astroid on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @11:07AM (#39029580)
I can't count the number of times I have seen Chinese people abroad having their family back at home punished for criticizing the CCP or taking other stances that the government oppose.

Doing a quick search, I found several articles detailing how this is becoming more common, with this story being the first one I recalled as the video is nauseating: https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_china-tries-muff... "Editor’s Note: China’s government is expanding its censorship controls by targeting Chinese citizens overseas who criticize Beijing on social media. The pressure tactic is called “zhulian” – an ancient punishment meaning “guilt by association.” It usually involves police threatening family members in China for the actions of their relatives overseas.

This happened to “Zoo” (short for @HorrorZoo, her main handle on Twitter), a Chinese student pursuing graduate studies in Australia, whose father has been repeatedly summoned to the police station because of her criticism of Chinese Communist Party leaders on social media.

But instead of censoring her Twitter account, “Zoo” has become more outspoken, providing multiple videos of police intimidating her via video chat. Her story provides a rare look at how China tries to use the families of dissidents to silence them."

Another instance: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/overseas-chinese-1021... "Police in Beijing have contacted the family of a Chinese student studying in the United States after he expressed support online for the "Bridge Man" protester, who unfurled banners on a Beijing bridge calling on ruling Chinese leader Xi Jinping to step down on the eve of the 20th Communist party’s congress."

I'm sure I could find hundreds of these - it has nothing to do with loyalty, and everything to do with external sources of pressure and coercion.

Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by mock-possum on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @06:05AM (#39026163)
Hey yeah maybe we could put them all into one place to keep an eye on them easier

Like taking people that are all over the place and sort of concentrating them into one place

Like a camp

Like a concentration camp

For Chinese people

You know because we can’t trust them not to be traitors

That seems like a good idea right

Re:OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pe... by [deleted] on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @11:58PM (#39038052)