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Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by soulofmischief on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:12PM (#39017537)
No, I bought the books used for 25 cents at a local booksale, and the authors did not benefit from my secondary market transaction.
Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by sandworm101 on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:41PM (#39017999)
>> the authors did not benefit from my secondary market transaction.

But they did. The presence of a secondary market for used books increased the value of some new books. People buy them knowing that they might one day recoup some costs by selling them. Would people pay more, or less, for a new car if they were told they could never sell or trade it away as a used car?

Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by soulofmischief on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @09:41PM (#39022558)
Gee I don't know, but I'm glad that digital goods do not incur the same material costs as a car. "You wouldn't download a car", we've come full circle.
Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by cwkoss on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:34PM (#39030804)
Lol, did an AI write this? Literally no one buys books because they might one day recoup a fraction of the sticker price on the secondary market.

Baffling

Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by JambalayaJim on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @02:26PM (#39032209)
They actually do exactly this, they’re just not thinking about it. You buy a book because you want the physical possession, which gives you the ability to sell it or give it to someone or display it. Not because you want to read the contents - else you would just borrow it from a library.
Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by soulofmischief on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:59PM (#39036552)
> You buy a book because you want the physical possession, which gives you the ability to sell it or give it to someone or display it. Not because you want to read the contents - else you would just borrow it from a library.

Please back up this statement.

I for one, buy primary market books for the content; and to support creators whom I wish to support. Not to display the book or resell it. That is some capitalist jive.

People typically use libraries because

A) they are too poor to afford the books, and libraries therein provide a valuable community function

B) they are doing research and only need the books for a short time

C) they read more books than they can afford

and other such reasons.

Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by downWidOutaFite on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:23PM (#39017729)
You got that via the legal "first sale doctrine" which has been killed for digital works.
Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by soulofmischief on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @09:43PM (#39022575)
It's a tough issue to correlate to physical goods, especially when you realize that people sometimes donate books.
Re:On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train... by MacsHeadroom on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:28PM (#39022888)
"In 2012, the Court of Justice of the European Union (ECJ) held in UsedSoft GmbH v. Oracle International Corp that the first sale doctrine applies to used copies of [intangible goods] downloaded over the Internet and sold in the European Union." [0]

Arguably the U.S. courts are in the wrong here. We can only hope first sale doctrine is extended to digital goods in the U.S. in the future, as it has been in the EU for over a decade.

[0] https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewconten...