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Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by jsheard on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @12:41PM (#39016196)
Google Images is filling up with AI slop to the point of unusability for some purposes, even content that isn't actively engaging in SEO shenanigans is getting pushed to the top. In some cases even the key image that Google displays first on a normal search is fake, like when searching for the "tank man" prioritized showing a fake AI selfie from the mans perspective. It's still there in fact, just not the first result anymore, but Google might have demoted it manually after the backlash.

Looking to browse works by a specific artist? Good luck, Google evidently can't tell the difference between a genuine J. C. Leyendecker piece and anything shat out by a "Leyendecker style" image generation model. Search for "Yoji Shinkawa" and this https://i.imgur.com/RYghaoY.png is currently the first thing you see, which isn't even close to his style, but Google has somehow determined it's the image that best represents him. The full images page shows his actual work but interspersed about half-and-half with AI imitations.

My speculation is that Google prioritizes showing recent results, presumed to be the freshest most up-to-date information, but of course for a historical event like Tiananmen Square or an artist who died in 1951, nearly all of the fresh results past a certain point are AI simulacra.

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by spansoa on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @01:48PM (#39017102)
I find DuckDuckGo's[0] (DDG) images feature to be a brilliant replacement for Google Images/Lens. Google Images doesn't let you view the actual resource anymore and disabled that feature years ago. DDG's image feature is crucial since it doesn't bring you to the site itself, it just points to the raw URL of where the asset resides and you can easily download it, without hunting the graphics down on the site itself, although DDG does offer a link to the page where the image was found. The important bit is pressing the 'View File' button.

[0] https://duckduckgo.com/

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by spacephysics on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @01:57PM (#39017270)
I think google got into legal trouble for doing this (linking directly to the source image, instead of to the site)

Or they were at least threatened with legal action. I remember when it happened many of my friends were annoyed overnight

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by StableAlkyne on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:50PM (#39018149)
If I recall right, it was over Getty Images, who were upset that people were right-clicking their images to save them from the image search (with the watermark) instead of clicking through to the page to be prompted to buy it

So rather than just delist Getty and solve the problem, they decided to make their product objectively worse

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by skywhopper on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:06PM (#39017439)
I doubt a legal case would succeed, and Google would know that. But the types of companies who threaten to sue over deep image linking are also the most likely to threaten not to sign contracts for content sharing with YouTube etc or for ad services. In other words, Google's other businesses create a liability for their search effectiveness.
Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by fouc on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @01:45PM (#39017053)
I dislike the recency bias so much.
Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by guhcampos on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:10PM (#39017492)
I can't count how many times I needed a "until X" button, but it's an ever increasing trend.
Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by KomoD on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @01:23PM (#39016668)
Yeah that is a huge problem.

Another search to try is "hand reference", tons of AI garbage

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by phillipcarter on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @01:54PM (#39017205)
This one was fun:

> like when searching for the "tank man" prioritized showing a fake AI selfie from the mans perspective

In this case the label is that it's a AI-generated and the source is an article talking about that AI-generated picture.

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by AlienRobot on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @01:51PM (#39017157)
It's a trifecta of lies:

1. Domain-specific engines is too complicated. Let's have a general purpose search engine.

2. Too many buttons is too complicated. Let's have a single search box.

3. Guessing what you want when you are anonymous is too complicated. We need your search history to tailor your search for you.

Please, search engines, hear me: you can not simplify the needs and wants of 7 billion people and zettabytes of online content into a single little shitty search box! It's too complicated!

At this point the only thing these search engines are good for is for finding the URL of something you already know the name of. It's a phone book. I type Hacker News on google, it tells me its phone number: https://news.ycombinator.com/

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by josefritz on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:15PM (#39017587)
Comically, when I google hackernews or even "Hacker News" I often get the other Hacker news first.

Finding my preferred UI https://hckrnews.com/ that's not even in the first page of results. Rajat's version https://hckrnws.com/... nowhere to be seen.

Google is becoming a mediocre phone book.

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by RespectYourself on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:22PM (#39017714)
#3 is certainly bullshit, but Yahoo failed because of #1. Forcing a user to drill down through hundreds or thousands of categories to do a search is absurd, don't you think?

What other buttons do you want?

But for sure Google has crippled its core product. First they removed the + option, which forced the inclusion of words (their excuse was that it "interfered" with their stupid "Google Plus" product which is now gone). Yes you can use "allintext:" but come on. I'm not even sure that's honored anyway.

And the removal of the ability to exclude certain sites from results.

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by slater on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @02:37PM (#39017936)
> Forcing a user to drill down through hundreds or thousands of categories to do a search is absurd, don't you think

Are you saying that's how Yahoo worked? IIRC, that was optional, they always had the search box:

https://web.archive.org/web/19961023235123/http://www10.yaho...

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by RespectYourself on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @10:20PM (#39037282)
I think the search box was always there, but for some reason it seemed that you needed to select a category...

OK, I just looked up their old layout, and they buried the search bar amongst so much crap that it wasn't clear whether it pertained to the ad or the thing above it, or what... if you even noticed it: https://helios-i.mashable.com/imagery/longforms/04ILIeAX3JAF...

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by AlienRobot on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @04:18PM (#39019276)
For output to be accurate, input has to be precise. But there's a trend of dumbing down and minifying interfaces and then tacking AI to guess what the user really means from the little input he is allowed.

It will never work. It can't work. Anyone who thinks this can work is delusional. And with Google it's particularly obvious how stupid the trend is.

Look at the "tabs" Google has for search: all, images, videos, shopping, news, etc. This is things users can input. But wait! What if an user wants news about something? And they have to reach all the way out to the news tab. That's too much for our bubbling moronic users to manage! They can't into computers. They have room temperature IQ. They have never used Google before, so they don't know where the tab is. They probably don't know what tabs or links are either. I know what I'll do. I'll put an AI to reorder the TABS of my users based on their search history, query input, season of the year, and their zodiac sign based on what birth day they used when they signed up for a Google account. That should solve it.

And now the order of the tabs is all over the place and when you want to click the "images" tab it's sometimes not the second tab and when you want to click the "videos" tab it's sometimes not the third tab.

I think this is very interesting because you have to think. If Google can fail this hard at tabs, which is not really a complicated thing to program, imagine how hard they are failing at indexing the entire interweb. Imagine if they are doing to search results the same nonsense bullshit they are doing to the tabs. Just imagine it. It's clear they have absolutely no idea what they're doing with the tabs.

Re:Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of ... by mrkramer on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @04:54PM (#39019675)
>And now the order of the tabs is all over the place and when you want to click the "images" tab it's sometimes not the second tab and when you want to click the "videos" tab it's sometimes not the third tab.

I also noticed this; they redesigned their search tabs few months ago and now it's sort of bad and user unfriendly. Sometimes there is "News" tab, sometimes there is no news tab and tabs look all the same and generic(white rectangles with black text).

>I think this is very interesting because you have to think. If Google can fail this hard at tabs, which is not really a complicated thing to program, imagine how hard they are failing at indexing the entire interweb. Imagine if they are doing to search results the same nonsense bullshit they are doing to the tabs.

God knows what is in their index and what is not in their index. I think every search engine needs to make its index open and transparent. And yea Google can fail with all sort of things, they are not ubermensch or something like that.

Google's ranking algorithms and search technology are millions of LOC and not even Google engineers know how exactly Google Search works.