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Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by iancmceachern on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @03:06AM (#39010716)
Yes, they do. You can see the "UL" mark on the product label
Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by unsupp0rted on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @03:21AM (#39010798)
Well I’m convinced
Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by iancmceachern on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @03:40AM (#39010916)
They were counterfeiting the labels on some products so they started requiring holographic labels on some kinds of products, like Christmas lights
Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by alpaca128 on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @03:52AM (#39011014)
Are you sure it's the original label and not a fake?

Just recently a German tech channel reviewed a "gaming PC" sold on Amazon. The power supply had a fake CE label (aka it's illegal to sell in the EU) and the graphics card was a used Chinese crypto mining card that caught fire before they were done testing.

Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by actionfromafar on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @04:17AM (#39011197)
I don't think it was in earnest. The label could definitely be fake.

CE - labels are a mess. First of all, you can self-certify. So the label may be correct but the certification shady. Then you can of course just slap on a CE label on something which isn't even certified.

To add insult to injury, China made a virtually indistinguishable CE label which means "China Export". Thanks, China.

Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by stef25 on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @05:24AM (#39011659)
You know there's another CE mark which stands for "China Export" right ? It just means it was manufactured in China and pretty much indistinguishable from Europe's CE mark.
Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by scq on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @05:37AM (#39011737)
That's a myth. There is no such marking as "China Export".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking#%22China_Export%22

Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by stef25 on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:53AM (#39014724)
wow ok, I stand corrected!
Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by terom on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @08:31AM (#39013053)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/S6sFaEUxY89Tgxn56 here's an example of the safety/certification markings from a 24V power supply sold in the EU.

Take a close look at the TÜV/GS logo and font. I seriously doubt the UL file number E131992 exists. The Safety Mark 021068-00 code is for a Samsung AC Adapter [1], which this is not. You can see some of the same details in the AliExpress listings.

[1] https://www.go.gov.sg/safety-mark

Re:Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters? by iancmceachern on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:48AM (#39014654)
This is called counterfeiting.

It's the same thing for Rolex's at the Eiffel Tower. Does that make the eiffel tower, or real eatches any different?

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