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Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by jampekka on Sunday January 14, 2024 @01:43PM (#38993133)
We have a lot safer transportation systems than private cars but don't deploy them. Is this basically killing people too? Driving is murder?
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by bluGill on Sunday January 14, 2024 @01:58PM (#38993277)
Yes. There are a lot of people who are driving for things that a good public transit system could handle. Sure you can have your SUV for towing the boat to the lake - but you only do that on weekends (and no every weekend) - why are you driving to work, to church, get groceries - for most people those are tasks that that a good transit system could handle.

Note that by good transit system I mean one where you never check the schedule because the next bus/train is never more than 5 minutes (that is a maximum time). By good transit I also mean a system of transfers to express service so you can get to more distance places quickly. Nobody in the US has a good system (NYC's subways don't even come that often!), but there is no reason we can't have that, and some places in the world do have it (at least for a few).

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by lotsoweiners on Sunday January 14, 2024 @04:22PM (#38994559)
Yeah I’d totally take transit so long as it will pick me up in my driveway, is ready within a minute of me deciding I need to leave, and is a ride for only me and my family/friends.
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by bluGill on Sunday January 14, 2024 @04:41PM (#38994705)
This attitude is why we can't have nice things. You have probably never experienced a system like I outlined and you won't even consider it without adding other requirements that drive up the cost until we cannot get it.

If instead you would accept that you can wait up to five minutes, and "other people" are nice enough and so you can share a space with them - we could have a nice transit system.

The five minute time I used above is not arbitrary. While there is some debate on the exact number, 5 minutes allows for a lot operational things that are really nice.

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by kcplate on Sunday January 14, 2024 @06:37PM (#38995606)
I have ridden a whole lot of public transport all over the world and have seen what you are describing.
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by lotsoweiners on Monday January 15, 2024 @11:47PM (#39009624)
Just because we both want different things doesn't mean they both can't exist.
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by kelnos on Sunday January 14, 2024 @05:25PM (#38995049)
> the next bus/train is never more than 5 minutes [..] there is no reason we can't have that

There's no logistical reason, but very few municipalities have the density to support that kind of frequency (via fare revenue), and taxpayers (especially in the US, but in other places as well) don't want to pay for all that unoccupied space on trains and buses.

I'm not saying that's a universal truth. There are a few places that do have the density to support that. And there are a few places that don't, but local residents are happy to pay more in taxes to get that kind of frequency. But most places are not like either of those things.

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by oatmeal1 on Sunday January 14, 2024 @02:26PM (#38993574)
It's not murder. Relying excessively on a dangerous mode of transportation is killing people.
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by paganel on Sunday January 14, 2024 @05:56PM (#38995300)
The same way as getting out of the house during a pandemic was similar to "killing people" for a big chunk of the educated Western electorate.

You can see how that viewpoint might be received in a lot of places nowadays, especially blue-collar places that rely on that type of work to still be available and not farmed out to some AI bots that will manage to also kill some of us in the process (but in smaller numbers compared to what our fellow humans would have registered, that's a relief).

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by jayd16 on Sunday January 14, 2024 @04:05PM (#38994434)
Negligence is not murder but people still die.