Swiss federal surveillance monitoring nearly everything! Impact on Proton e.g.?

Re:Swiss federal surveillance monitoring nearly everything! ... by protonmail on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @07:01AM (#38939045)

Proton analyzed this revelation and found it doesn't impact Proton users due to the way that Proton's encryption and infrastructure works. While the reported practices have long been legalized in the US and Germany, they are very likely illegal in Switzerland and are therefore subject to legal challenge. It would not be entirely surprising if this got overturned by the courts. For example, Proton won a similar court case in 2021 (https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy).

Deeper analysis on these revelations can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1930vnh/comment....

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Re:Swiss federal surveillance monitoring nearly everything! ... by holigot on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @03:43PM (#38942807)

Wow. Well done and thanks for the detailed explanation!

Interested in what others like Migadu and/or Infomaniak will report on this points!

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Re:Swiss federal surveillance monitoring nearly everything! ... by mdrzn on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:51AM (#38950509)

Glad to be paying a subscription.

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Re:Swiss federal surveillance monitoring nearly everything! ... by nani8ot on Thursday January 11, 2024 @08:58AM (#38952212)

> While the reported practices have long been legalized in the US and Germany, they are very likely illegal in Switzerland and are therefore subject to legal challenge. It would not be entirely surprising if this got overturned by the courts.

Mass surveillance without reason ("Anlasslose Vorratsdatenspeicherung") is illegal in the EU (and Germany), just like it hopefully is in Switzerland. But declaring a law illegal takes time, so Germany simply creates a new law to continue their mass surveillance until courts declare it illegal again.

So I don't know how mass surveillance being likely illegal in Switzerland changes much. Until today it wasn't even publicly known that mass surveillance is a thing in Switzerland, and I won't be surprised if a similar story will make news in a decade again.

German: https://netzpolitik.org/2023/bundesverwaltungsgericht-vorrat...

English: https://www.reuters.com/technology/indiscriminate-data-reten...

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Re:Swiss federal surveillance monitoring nearly everything! ... by holigot on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:46PM (#38972157)

Overall it seems that the best way is to use some provider like Proton or use PGP locally. Everything else seems to be insecure. And if not know than with a press release in near/future time saying that country X or Y is making it like other countries did already.

So it's all about encryption.

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