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Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by j-bos on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @08:21PM (#38934896)
If this had been exploited and the job applicants to Target, Subway, Dunkin et al, had bank/credit fraud committed in their name's, would the big companies be liable for not performing due dilligence on chatter.ai? To be clear, I'm asking from a legal standpoint not a practical one.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by n2d4 on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @09:07PM (#38935256)
For more crucial PII (such as SSN, health data, payment info, etc), vendors are generally required to have certifications from a third-party auditor (such as SOC2). If the big companies fail to check that, then yes, they can be made liable.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by adrr on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @12:54AM (#38936716)
No rules or laws that require it. Closest requirement would be PCI around credit cards but you need lots of volume to be required to do an audit. HIPPA just requires you to do risk analysis and implement risk management. SOX is up to the auditor, when I was CTO at a public company, they were fine with me signing at attestation of all things we had implemented. Same with banks, no explicit requirement in both glba and fdic rules. Core bank systems are so old, none of that data is even encrypted neither is network traffic. Stuff is still in cobol.

Forcing function would be cyberinsurance policies that typically want to see audit results if you have multi-million dollar policy limits.

Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by l33t7332273 on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @01:22AM (#38936893)
I think the fact that this is true and well known(amongst those that could abuse it) is evidence that infosec, by and large, is overemphasized.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by supafastcoder on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @05:47AM (#38938774)
> No rules or laws that require it

It will just be FTC knocking on your door…

Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by malfist on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @09:26AM (#38939309)
The FTC will absolutely not knock on your door if you expose users's SSN to the internet.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by jacobr1 on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @10:14AM (#38939760)
Or the SEC, because one the breach/incident is public, the share price drops and failure to have disclosed those factors prior constitutes "securities fraud." Increasingly this it the default method of corporate regulation.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by adrr on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @01:24PM (#38941531)
FTC will come knocking at your door even if you do pass an external audit and have Soc2/soc1/iso certification. Equifax is an example.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by stackskipton on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @03:13PM (#38942513)
Who will promptly slap you on the wrist, wag their finger at you and send you on your way.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by throwawaaarrgh on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @06:09AM (#38938948)
HIPAA requires that no entity involved leak any PHI or penalties will be applied, you absolutely have to do more than "do risk analysis/management".
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by adrr on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @01:14PM (#38941414)
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by zelon88 on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @11:36AM (#38940407)
There are state laws that this runs afoul of. https://www.mass.gov/regulations/201-CMR-1700-standards-for-...
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by adrr on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @01:22PM (#38941494)
https://www.mass.gov/doc/201-cmr-17-standards-for-the-protec...

It’s very basic. There’s no best practices clauses it’s all “reasonable” clauses. Also no requirement for an external audit.

Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by MrBruh on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @08:32PM (#38934993)
Probably yeah, although it just comes down to if they get Sued or not I guess.

NOTE: I am not a legal professional, just making my guess.

Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by callalex on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @02:39AM (#38937344)
Someone applying to work at Taco Bell or Subway couldn’t afford a lawyer even if they worked for a full year and saved every penny.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by amenghra on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @05:24AM (#38938576)
That why the existence of class action suits is a good thing (imho). It balances power to some extent. The unfortunate reality is that only the lawyers make money in such cases.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by mihaaly on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @06:03AM (#38938903)
I assume it is more like the chattr.ai where the responsibility falls, except if the companies were using it as a tool and configuring the services falls with them. Down to the contractual circumstances. 'Tool provided works well' vs. 'using the provided tool well' kind of thing I guess.
Re:How I pwned half of America's fast food chains, simultane... by qznc on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @09:33AM (#38939365)
There is probably at least one European citizen in there, so GDPR applies.