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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by orochimaaru on Monday January 08, 2024 @12:19PM (#38915119)
How would unionizing help stop a company from setting up an offshore subsidiary? It may prevent layoffs in the short term - but even with big3 auto manufacturers it hasn’t prevented a move in manufacturing to Mexico and Canada.

I think the solution here has to come from the federal government to explicitly increase sw development employment in the US. Just like we find ourselves in a bad place with scaling chip manufacturing, we will find ourselves hamstrung in sw dev.

I doubt unions can help here - except maybe pressure the government (and that too works mostly on democrats if at all).

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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by linuxftw on Monday January 08, 2024 @01:36PM (#38916124)
Easy: The union can negotiate they don't have to train or work with anyone overseas (or non-union members generally).
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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by giantg2 on Monday January 08, 2024 @01:46PM (#38916277)
Then they just hire consultants for overseas training.
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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by acdha on Monday January 08, 2024 @01:56PM (#38916431)
That would certainly make the union workers more attractive given the average consultant’s experience, teaching ability, and understanding of the business.
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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by PeterisP on Monday January 08, 2024 @09:05PM (#38921308)
The union can force an all-or-nothing decision, but some companies can and will easily choose "nothing" and keep only the overseas developers, not the local unionized ones.
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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by pleasantpeasant on Monday January 08, 2024 @11:15PM (#38922232)
I think there would be too many programmers who would be proud to take the jobs of other programmers trying to unionize.

There are a lot of anti-unionists and Libertarian minded programmers in the US.

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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by linuxftw on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @12:02AM (#38922541)
Libertarians aren't anti-union, they're anti-government enforced unions.
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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by sanp on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @11:00AM (#38927596)
Unions are meaningless with collective bargaining enforced by the government.
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Re:IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023 by tharkun__ on Monday January 08, 2024 @07:42PM (#38920696)
Canada (close to Detroit) has always been part of the US auto manufacturing scene. In fact you could take what you write and replace the US with Canada and you have what people (and unions) in Canada are complaining about. Not sure what to replace Canada with in your text though. Maybe Mexico a second time?
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