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Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Monday January 08, 2024 @07:57AM (#38911285)
Heat pumps could actually lead to a net increase in energy usage in northern areas because they can double as air conditioners for cooling in the summer. Normally homes in northern areas don't have AC and you just have to get through the relative short period when its hot enough that it would be nice to have. But with heat pumps, you just switch to AC mode. Also, those periods of hot weather are getting hotter and longer in duration.
Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by acdha on Monday January 08, 2024 @08:01AM (#38911327)
> Also, those periods of hot weather are getting hotter and longer in duration.

This is why I’d characterize it as potentially earlier use of AC: we’re already seeing many people who didn’t previously need it buying ACs so the greater efficiency of most heat pumps is going to be welcome as that trend accelerates. I live in the mid-Atlantic region and our heat pump system lowered our annual electricity consumption even though we got rid of a gas heater because the savings over our old AC in the summer outweighed our increased winter demand (obviously the numbers in winter are worst for more extreme climates but recent years have really brought significant efficiency improvements vs. older AC designs).

The other thing to remember is that summer is the easiest problem: the times when you need it also tend to be when solar is producing well and that’s cheap and easy to deploy. Winter is much harder because its demand has less sunlight and often coincides with cloudy weather.

Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by eutectic on Monday January 08, 2024 @07:59AM (#38911301)
But demand is lower in the summer, so this shouldn't effect renewable energy requirements.
Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by jwestbury on Monday January 08, 2024 @08:14AM (#38911438)
This is regionally specific. The US south, for instance, sees higher usage in summer due to air conditioning demand.
Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by infecto on Monday January 08, 2024 @08:22AM (#38911540)
The whole premise for the original parent comment was talking about Northern regions. So yes, this whole thread is regionally specific.

Talking about the south is silly because in most of the southern US it is near unlivable with humidity to go without A/C.

Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by notyourwork on Monday January 08, 2024 @08:39AM (#38911726)
That has little to nothing to do with heat pumps does it?
Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Monday January 08, 2024 @08:14AM (#38911447)
This is a good point, summer time could potentially use solar.
Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by Ekaros on Monday January 08, 2024 @08:30AM (#38911636)
And with sensible planning like overcooling during day-time. It could actually utilize the production effectively. Too hot nights are still relatively rare.
Re:'Greener, cheaper, much warmer' – heat pump owners laud t... by Ynottingten on Monday January 08, 2024 @11:56AM (#38914817)
Thats a no brainer.

If the sun shines a lot, we will have a lot of energy we can consume through an AC.

Overall a heatpump will lead to a 2-4 times net energy reduction.

Your normal car can use 30-40% of the energy in gasoline. We could just make energy out of it, use the process energy and drive a heat pump and we will be above 1 kWh from 1 kWh of gasoline energy.