Surely when every major genocide researcher and lawyer, human rights groups, etc are all shouting at the top of their lungs that this is the worst genocide this century, you'd try a little harder to make your case.
I call what's happening in Gaza and the WB genocide. Clearly, and to a horrific degree.
I have nightmares about it that linger with me for weeks. I've seen full HD horrors and atrocities being committed for 92 days now.
I've seen outrageous lies - beheaded babies, mass rapes - promulgated by corporate media and even the POTUS, all as a thousand very real babies have been murdered. Netanyahu is still repeating the beheaded babies lie. It's farcical, and I truly believe that only a highly deranged mind could fall for it. And yet at least 80% of Israelis think there hasn't been enough violence. It's a horror beyond comprehension.
I don't get why people are tolerating such genocide denial tbh. It's nice that we're so polite here, but like ... read the room. And by the room, I mean the vast majority of every single population outside of Israel; who all want the same thing: just stop killing so many people Israel, ffs.
Just stop killing people, and treat them like humans. It's not a big ask. It's not political. It's important, and if you try to tell people not to talk about it you can expect pushback.
Israel is not genocidal. Hamas IS genocidal. Everyone shouting "from the mountains to the sea" IS genocidal.
Hamas did kill babies. Your willful blind eye to the actual facts on the ground is astounding.
Second off: it is manifestly not the case that everyone shouting that slogan is genocidal. One indication of that: Israel has used the slogan itself. Most people who use it probably don't really even know what it means, as seems to have been the case there.
Third: please stop declaiming. It's not persuasive, it doesn't teach anybody anything, and it pumps cortisol into the thread. You don't have to have a thing to say here. Sometimes it's best just to let charged threads like these die down on their own.
> Surely when every major genocide researcher and lawyer, human rights groups, etc are all shouting at the top of their lungs that this is the worst genocide this century, you'd try a little harder to make your case.
Then they probably hold antisemitic beliefs because this isn't even in the top 5 this century: Ukraine, Ethiopia, Yemen, IS, South Sudan, Uyghur, Myanmar, etc.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143772
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/palestinian-children-deat...
It seems like a pretty apolitical and objective statement to me. Perhaps not as fast as every 10 minutes but probably not far off.
> That's your political opinion.
Not really, no. They have said as much themselves. "There is no red line" is a direct quote.
Zionists, aka the ones committing and supporting this particularly heinous genocide, consider it a political view - no one else.
Zionists say it's complicated, it's self defense; even as they openly state their true intent [0]. But the entire rest of the fucking planet considers it wanton murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. We're heartbroken, we're furious, and we'll not stop talking about it until it ends.
> I don't see why it's not an obvious truth that sometimes people prefer not to have to think about politics or political ideology.
I explained why, as did other commenters. If you want to be ignorant and apathetic towards 'politics' (inequality and genocide and the planet burning for profit) that's your problem. Not mine. But it's a bit rich to then complain that you can't find good character driven stories, that enable and support such an apathetic and delusional choice of worldview.
> to suggest art or entertainment devoid of political ideology is "drivel" or for people without "good souls and hearts" is baffling.
I didn't.
I 'suggested' that if you want good stories devoid of 'political content' then maybe you can't find them because vapid and ignorant and soulless people don't write very good stories. If you can find them, then why bother complaining that other people are discussing and enjoying 'political' content.
0 - https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-databas...
What would happen next if the Palestinians laid down their arms and renowned warfare?
What would happen next if the Israelis laid down their arms and renounced warfare?
Do you really think that if Hamas (not to be confused with the civilians who are being murdered) "laid down their arms" then Israel would start to treat Palestinians like humans? ... Really?
Do you think that Palestinians who lost their homes, their families, their whole world to this 3 month orgy of atrocity are more or less likely to take up arms than people with something to lose?
30,000 Palestinians have been murdered. A million people are facing death by starvation and disease. It needs to stop.
>Do you think either of those scenarios are possible?
You either missed the part about thought exercise or slipped in a bad-faith query.
One side has tried repeatedly to compromise, the counter-party is fundamentally opposed to any compromise. Try gaming that out and see how you might succeed in reaching a successful compromise for peace.
>Do you really think that if Hamas (not to be confused with the civilians who are being murdered) "laid down their arms" then Israel would start to treat Palestinians like humans? ... Really?
What happened when Egypt was offered land for peace? What happened when the PA was offered 95% of the west bank in exchange for peace? Are you familiar with the "Peace Now" movement from the 1990s? It was way too large to call it a fringe movement? The response was suicide bombings. That was a quarter century ago and the last 25 years have made it rather bleak to realistically find peace, unless you think "the river to sea" as a peace proffer, perhaps. Do you? Really??
Granted its radicalizing for sure. Can you see how Palestinian if not Perso-Palestinian tactics would be as radicalizing on Israelis? Is one radicalization better than the other?
>30,000 Palestinians have been murdered. A million people are facing death by starvation and disease. It needs to stop.
Casualty stats are like polls. Its quasi data at best. OF COURSE it needs to stop. BILATERALLY. Have you heard one Palestinian person so much as nuance that their misery is a reaction to a Palestinian act of atrocity? Its a glaring double standard.
Its a race to the bottom, and pretending that the Palestinians are pure victims while the Israelis are pure evil only illuminates your one-sidedness in this matter.
Until both sides are able to find empathy for each other's existence, the race to the bottom is a sure thing.
One last question for you:
Can someone name a large-scale armed military conflict in which the civilian population caught in that conflict weren't treated as expendable?
Israelis are bombing refugee camps and hospitals. Openly calling for the destruction/removal of the entire population. Assassinating journalists, preventing food and electricity and clean water from an entire population.
> Casualty stats are like polls. Its quasi data at best.
30,000 murdered people in three months isn't a statistic. It's human lives. Those are real people. They have names, and you can see the lists compiled.
The average age of murdered children over there is five years old.
If you want better stats, get Israel to let journalists in (maybe ask them to stop killing them while you're at it).
> Can someone name a large-scale armed military conflict in which the civilian population caught in that conflict weren't treated as expendable?
Ah - there it is. Palestinian civilians are expendable to Israel, and you call this normal.
But how many senior Hamas leaders have been taken in Gaza? Zero.
How many hostages have been rescued? Minus three.
All while a child is murdered every ten minutes.
Israel is committing verified war crimes and atrocities every day. It's not excusable. There is a responsibility, even in war, to protect civilian life.
That's your political opinion.
> Maybe if the wilfully politically ignorant could figure out how to write good character driven stories, those people would have options. But for some reason, people with good souls and hearts write the best stories... And people without them write inane drivel that fails to connect on any deep level, ever.
That's your political opinion.
I don't see why it's not an obvious truth that sometimes people prefer not to have to think about politics or political ideology. And to suggest art or entertainment devoid of political ideology is "drivel" or for people without "good souls and hearts" is baffling.