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Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by lolinder on Sunday January 07, 2024 @10:13AM (#38901836)
> These requirements are what humans are held to

If only. Tracking down the original source of quotes and/or stats is a bit of a hobby of mine, and it's extremely difficult to do. News sources will regularly cite "a recent study" with little additional information to help identify it. Pithy quotes attributed to famous authors never contain a reference to the work, it's always just the author's name, and if you go digging the quote is misattributed as often as not. Full-on plagiarism with no attribution is rampant, even in reputable places where you'd think they'd have it under control.

Like with self-driving cars, we expect AI to be better than the average human, which I think is the correct attitude, but we should acknowledge that that's what we're asking for.

Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by Baldbvrhunter on Sunday January 07, 2024 @11:47AM (#38902701)
A pet peeve of mine is

> some spicy quote -- author

and when you go look, it is quoting something a character said in a story

an example [0]

> “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” - George Bernard Shaw

But it is part of a speech in "Man and Superman," by the protagonist, John Tanner.

(although Shaw is known for expressing his views through his character, it's just one I could find)

[0] https://unearnedwisdom.com/the-reasonable-man-adapts-himself...

Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by WirelessGigabit on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:48PM (#38903312)
Or when they reference previous news they always reference their own articles and not the original press releases. Engadget is a prime example of this.

You always end up having to search for the sources on your favorite search engine.

Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by loloquwowndueo on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:07PM (#38902933)
“Use the Force, Harry” - Gandalf
Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by tourmalinetaco on Sunday January 07, 2024 @10:34AM (#38902032)
I have a similar hobby of sorts I occasionally pick up and drop off, except of unattributed quotes. Some are easy (“Who shall deliver me from this turbulent priest?”), while some I still cannot find the exact quote from, even while knowing what should be the source material (“It was wintertide at Camelot. The rich brotherhood did rightly revel, and mirthful was their mood. Oft-times on tourney bent those gallants sought the field, Though like as joust those gentle knights did sally with missiles made of snow and laughingly grapple on slippery ground.”).

It’s certainly highlighted to me how difficult information upkeep can be, and is a strong reminder to source myself as soon as possible. Which is a realistic and ideal expectation for NN, as alongside their training weights ideally their training dataset is searchable and attributable. Otherwise I feel the largest strength of a dataset, being a digital library for the NN and thus us, is lost.

Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by Baldbvrhunter on Sunday January 07, 2024 @11:53AM (#38902780)
> “Who shall deliver me from this turbulent priest?”

Robert Dodsley

Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by mistrial9 on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:30PM (#38903124)
Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by Baldbvrhunter on Sunday January 07, 2024 @12:36PM (#38903183)
if you read your link you'll see that the "quote" is what Robert Dodsley said about it 600 years later, and then changed it in the second edition