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Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by monkeynotes on Sunday January 07, 2024 @09:53AM (#38901665)
I can't directly quote shit, and I am useful.
Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by throwaway4aday on Sunday January 07, 2024 @10:09AM (#38901793)
This comment isn't
Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by ryanklee on Sunday January 07, 2024 @01:33PM (#38903785)
It absolutely is useful and one of the most significant points in this comment section.

People are applying standards to LLMs that don't exist elsewhere. They don't exist elsewhere because they absolutely can't exist elsewhere.

It's not a technical short-coming of LLMs that they can't produce citations in every instance. Rather, it's a property of information, representation, and knowledge itself. Much of it floats far above the otherwise load bearing pillars of citations.

People contend with this constantly in every arena of life, and we have come up with very elaborate ways to offset the difficulties caused by it.

And we get along very well despite it all.

I'll also leave you with this: citations are just pointers to more sources of information. Not some ground truth. It's just another tranche that requires evaluations.

Lastly, your comment is an unfortunate bit of low-level snark and probably would have been better left unsaid.

Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by throwaway4aday on Monday January 08, 2024 @11:18AM (#38914205)
So you're just going to ignore the fact that we require humans to provide citations when they include someone else's writing or research in their own?
Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by ryanklee on Monday January 08, 2024 @03:40PM (#38917773)
I didn't ignore it. But we do not require citations for every statement. Statements have value, citations notwithstanding.
Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by throwaway4aday on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @10:03AM (#38926958)
I didn't say it should provide citations for every statement. We're talking about instances where the model reproduces text verbatim. If it is paraphrasing or creating new text then obviously it doesn't need to cite any more than a human would.
Re:The New York Times Launches a Strong Case Against Microso... by ryanklee on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @05:05PM (#38932884)
I don't understand what you're pushing back against, but I'm not standing there.