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Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by namaria on Saturday January 06, 2024 @06:43AM (#38890626)
You got me thinking, could we distinguish engineered vs emergent life? I mean, I at look those animations of proteins in the cell and... it looks pretty robotic to me. Maybe it's projection in terms of how we interpret the data.

But I really like that the answer to a most ancient question such as "what is life" is building up to something like "it's all nanobots controlled by molecular computers"...

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by ben_w on Saturday January 06, 2024 @07:31AM (#38890901)
> could we distinguish engineered vs emergent life?

I think we can tell the difference between engineered and evolved (but note that simulated evolution is still evolution) — oddities like the path of the recurrent laryngeal nerve are cited as evidence against an intelligent designer, and I expect it isn't the only such oddity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve

> But I really like that the answer to a most ancient question such as "what is life" is building up to something like "it's all nanobots controlled by molecular computers"...

If you've not already watched it, I recommend this video by A Capella Science: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObvxPSQNMGc&t=198s

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by namaria on Sunday January 07, 2024 @10:29AM (#38901993)
Flaws are not proof of non intentional emergence vs intentional design. We design flawed systems all the time.

Besides, it would be a very naïve stance to think the universe as it is today was drawn complete and definitively. There are a lot more nuanced and intricate creationist worldviews and they have been espoused in a clear headed way by some of the most fundamental characters in the history of science.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by ben_w on Sunday January 07, 2024 @02:03PM (#38904106)
It's more the type of pattern in the errors rather than the mere existence of them.

On the other topic, although the mere existence of errors would count against a supposedly all knowing and all powerful designer, that combination is not found in most religions, and not even all versions of Christianity.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by namaria on Sunday January 07, 2024 @02:27PM (#38904316)
Hey that combination is also not found anywhere else in this discussion.