News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Fixing Macs door to door by KennyBlanken on Saturday January 06, 2024 @04:20AM (#38889882)
Just a PSA (not trying to harp on parent commenter, just taking their comment as an opportunity to soapbox) but never, ever, every go into a room or building that is getting smokey from something burning. It's how you N+1 the casualty/death count in a fire. Unlike the heroes in films and movies, you don't have Plot Armor.

It is incredibly common that people think they can just go back in holding their breath or stay low or cover their mouth with their clothing like in hollywood...but they take a bit of a breath, cough, and suck in lungfuls of the smoke, and are almost immediately incapacitated.

A lot of things, like PVC for example, release chlorine gas when they burn, which immediately turns your lung mucus into hydrochloric acid. All the other things in the smoke is incredibly bad for you both short and long-term, too.

The smoke is also flammable. Opening a door lets in oxygen, and oxygen + fuel + heat = a fuckton of heat, very suddenly.

I really wish that writers would suffer legal liability for shit like showing people entering a building with their shirt over their mouth - it's where people get the idea that they can so that sort of stuff.

Re:Fixing Macs door to door by dreamcompiler on Saturday January 06, 2024 @06:53AM (#38890683)
Firefighter here. I will walk into a burning building if I'm wearing bunker gear, breathing from a working SCBA, carrying a Halligan or axe so I can chop my way back out if I have to, and my buddy is with me carrying a hose squirting water. Lots of water. Said hose must be attached to a BRT (big red truck) on the other end so that when I can't see shit and my air alarm starts beeping we can crawl along by feeling said hose and follow it back out to safety.

Most important, I must have a reasonable suspicion that there are lives inside that might be savable.

Without all that, screw it. That building gets to burn.

Re:Fixing Macs door to door by effingwewt on Saturday January 06, 2024 @03:09PM (#38894928)
Really appreciate the work you do and the dangers you risk.

o7

Re:Fixing Macs door to door by FireBeyond on Sunday January 07, 2024 @02:11PM (#38904175)
> crawl along by feeling said hose

Smooth bump bump, back to the pump!

But yep, absolutely. We will risk a lot, in a calculated manner, for savable life. And I will not send my guys interior on a confirmed empty defensive fire.

Re:Fixing Macs door to door by gorlilla on Saturday January 06, 2024 @09:10AM (#38891564)
We just had a house fire over the holidays. It started in the basement, I was to the flames in 10 seconds, using an extinguisher another 5-6 seconds later. That failed... I spent another 30 seconds scrambling for anything that might suffocate the flames.... then I had to get out. I was 'upwind' of how the flames were spreading, but was not prepared for the power to suddenly cut out in a room now quickly filling with black smoke.

The whole ordeal was 1-2 minutes before I had to evacuate the house and watch it all burn, helplessly.

Even a good plan isn't always enough; most don't have any plan.

Re:Fixing Macs door to door by Cyphase on Saturday January 06, 2024 @12:09PM (#38893100)
Sorry to hear that, that's awful. I'm glad you (and everyone else hopefully) made it out (relatively) safely.
Re:Fixing Macs door to door by waltwalther on Saturday January 06, 2024 @12:27PM (#38893283)
Wow. I am sorry to hear that. Glad you are ok, and hope no one was hurt.
Re:Fixing Macs door to door by snewman on Saturday January 06, 2024 @09:46AM (#38891811)
Holy cow.

How did the fire start, and where was it initially spreading that went up so fast?

Re:Fixing Macs door to door by wnolens on Saturday January 06, 2024 @10:37AM (#38892267)
> It is incredibly common that people think they can just go back in holding their breath or stay low or cover their mouth with their clothing like in hollywood

Thanks, I had the slight impression that this was true and now feel incredibly stupid.

Re:Fixing Macs door to door by FireBeyond on Sunday January 07, 2024 @02:15PM (#38904202)
Yeah, as another firefighter, please don't. That often ends tragically, a t-shirt or towel will do nothing to stop smoke particulates.
Re:Fixing Macs door to door by qingcharles on Saturday January 06, 2024 @01:04PM (#38893596)
Yes, it was dumb as hell. I realized that once I'd taken several steps in and could no longer see the way out o_O
Re:Fixing Macs door to door by Projectiboga on Sunday January 07, 2024 @02:26PM (#38904302)
Most likely that printer blew the capacitor by the power feed. It smoked its 'bunch of pixie dust' and was dead. Just the air needed to clear. But yes never go into a burning building, unless you're willing to die trying to save something or someone.