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Re:What You Don't Know About Sperm by brabel on Saturday January 06, 2024 @04:00AM (#38889795)
> I find myself wondering if there is a primitive consciousness on the cellular level

That seems to be obviously true to me. The alternative would be that consciousness simply appears at some point out of literally nowhere because there would be no lower levels from which it emerges.

Re:What You Don't Know About Sperm by eternauta3k on Saturday January 06, 2024 @05:39AM (#38890276)
Sounds like this

* pushes the problem one level down ("why are cells conscious?")

* adds the problem of explaining how consciousness of a person relates to consciousness of its cells.

What would this model help explain?

Re:What You Don't Know About Sperm by brabel on Saturday January 06, 2024 @06:05AM (#38890402)
Right, but it seems that both problems are easier than "it just emerges out of nothing".

Cells consciousness would be a much, much simpler sort of consciousness, something any "object" that somehow is capable of searching for food and avoiding "danger" should possess.

Higher level things emerging from similar, but lower level things is not a mystery, it's something expected (like ant colonies).

Re:What You Don't Know About Sperm by eternauta3k on Saturday January 06, 2024 @01:42PM (#38893978)
I'm vaguely for pan-psychism as in, it sounds good but I haven't thought about it for even 5 minutes. But I'm more interested in the version where all matter has some kind of proto-consciousness. Still, no idea how it's suposed to work in detail: how can it make a difference whether a particle is part of an information-processing system? There is an infinitude of mappings between physical systems and mathematical functions (I'm probably plagiarizing a half-forgotten version of this https://joe-antognini.github.io/ml/consciousness )
Re:What You Don't Know About Sperm by AlecSchueler on Saturday January 06, 2024 @07:52AM (#38891031)
I has to go all the way down by that logic, right?