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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by knifie_spoonie on Saturday January 06, 2024 @12:48AM (#38888797)
Managers are the ones with the authority to tell engineers what to do. If an engineer refuses, they'll simply be replaced with someone more pliable.

See the Challenger disaster for a high profile example.

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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by KingOfCoders on Saturday January 06, 2024 @02:04AM (#38889175)
"replaced with someone more pliable."

If I don't rob the bank, someone else will!

Yes, and then the other engineer is responsible for the dead people, not you. But if your job is more important than other peoples lifes, I guess, yes, you do as you have been told.

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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by knifie_spoonie on Saturday January 06, 2024 @05:20AM (#38890186)
"If I don't rob the bank, someone else will!"

Or maybe we stop people from trying to force others to rob banks. Nip the problem in the bud.

Why do you want to let managers get away with toxic behavior and then blame the subordinates?

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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by KingOfCoders on Saturday January 06, 2024 @06:39AM (#38890602)
Me: "Sure managers are guilty."

You: "Why do you want to let managers get away with toxic behavior."

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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by oefnak on Saturday January 06, 2024 @01:45AM (#38889082)
Okay, then that replacement should also refuse or go to jail.
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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by knifie_spoonie on Saturday January 06, 2024 @05:18AM (#38890178)
Crazy idea, but maybe the manager trying to force engineers to do these things should be held accountable.
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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by uxp8u61q on Saturday January 06, 2024 @03:06AM (#38889501)
They're just following orders, is that it?
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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by KingOfCoders on Saturday January 06, 2024 @04:56AM (#38890057)
We Germans know how to do that!
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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by knifie_spoonie on Saturday January 06, 2024 @05:22AM (#38890196)
Since when did we start apologizing for people in positions of authority forcing others to bad things?
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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by uxp8u61q on Saturday January 06, 2024 @11:29AM (#38892749)
"Forcing"? Are they holding a gun to the devs' heads and "forcing" them to implement safety circumvention features? I doubt it.
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