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Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by bardsimpson on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:57PM (#38886209)
Rationality is not an inscribed property but rather a natural consequence of observing the order in place.

For example, the table of elements expresses the properties of integers as inherent to reality. As such, it is rational and rationally-ordered.

This is not so much “philosophy” as it is “logic”, it is the conclusion of philosophy and mathematics and the subsequent origin of the computational reality.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by defrost on Friday January 05, 2024 @07:39PM (#38887027)
One of the distinctive properties of integers is that there are at least 200 of them.

Oh, and some of them (either nearly or exactly half) are negative.

The table of elements falls a little short here.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by Turing_Machine on Friday January 05, 2024 @08:35PM (#38887424)
> Oh, and some of them (either nearly or exactly half) are negative.

Well, it doesn't quite work that way. Yes, you can put the negative integers in 1:1 correspondence with the positive integers, but you can also put them in 1:1 correspondence with the positive integers that are divisible by 2, or 3, or 3,000... or, for that matter, the negative integers that are divisible by three thousand. All of those sets have the same cardinality (often called "countably infinite").

There are, however, provably more real numbers than there are integers.

It is unknown whether there are any sets whose cardinality lies between the cardinality of the set of integers and the cardinality of the set of real numbers.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by defrost on Friday January 05, 2024 @09:06PM (#38887635)
Bait taken I see :)

Hands up anyone who hasn't considered a stay at the infinite hotel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Gra...

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by Tainnor on Saturday January 06, 2024 @03:26AM (#38889642)
There is a sense in which the even integers can be considered "half" of all the integers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_density

"Counting stuff" can be generalised to infinite sets in different ways: cardinality is one (arguably the most common) of them, but natural density or measure are others.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by j7ake on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:49PM (#38886683)
Poor logic here. Listing examples of apparent order in universe does not prove that the universe is rational.
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by mensetmanusman on Friday January 05, 2024 @11:17PM (#38888358)
If you believe logic and rationality exist, and you believe that you are part of the universe, then the universe is rational, because you are the universe being rational.
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by lostmsu on Friday January 05, 2024 @11:50PM (#38888530)
Then I propose that you are shit because just before you pooped shit is part of you.