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Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by jjgreen on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:57AM (#38878215)
Not religious myself, but I'd be minded to respect the reasonable wishes of those who are. There's not really much point in putting human samples on the moon (unless I've missed something), so that act itself is quasi-religious.
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by prepend on Friday January 05, 2024 @09:09AM (#38879202)
I agree on respecting reasonable wishes. But the challenge is over what is reasonable.

This request doesn’t seem reasonable to me. And seems like a waste of governance to spend resources evaluating these requests to stop putting human samples on the moon.

Of course, if a group is offended by the activity I like that they earnestly post their letter noting concern and requesting consideration. It will just be bad, I think, if a single letter from a single group that has just seen a thing would stop some valuable activity. Value as judged by the resources put into funding such a mission, somebody thinks it is worthwhile.

Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by wiz21c on Sunday January 07, 2024 @04:14PM (#38905198)
Let me drop my feces over your lawn. That's just biodegradable stuff, it will disappear. Completely reasonable.

And this is not a "group of people", it's a nation. Just as USA is a nation.

And while you're at it, just burn a print of the Quran. After all, that's just some paper and it will bring valuable heat. And the "group of Muslims" will certainly be happy to help.

Come on.

Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by google234123 on Sunday January 07, 2024 @08:17PM (#38907093)
No, if we allowed religion to dictate like this we’d be in a horrible place. This is insanity and fortunately the founders of the US saw this and took steps to restrain the power of religion and give us the freedom of expression.

These group of Muslims would also do a lot more if they had unlimited say

I’m imagining you blamed the Charlie hebdo staff for being murdered?

Would you support Scientologists getting South Park banned? It was very insulting to their religion and core beliefs, right?

Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by Symbiote on Monday January 08, 2024 @04:06AM (#38909677)
The waste of resources is surely the laugh of remains to the moon, rather than the discussion around it.
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by emtrw on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:11PM (#38904677)
Well it's my religious belief that being buried on the moon is the highest honour you could get.

What now?

Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by krapp on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:28PM (#38904834)
It isn't, though.

There is such a thing as a test of sincere religious belief, and it requires, for one thing, an established religion. There is no established religion that believes in lunar burial. You can't just make some shit up and say "that's my religion." If you could, then everyone would be a part of the church of never paying taxes.

Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by emtrw on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:32PM (#38904870)
Everyone is. No religion pays taxes in the US and no misters of religion do either.
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by krapp on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:46PM (#38904972)
No religious organization, registered and classified as such, pays taxes. You can read more about the methods of classification here[0]. Note that factors like " a distinct religious history, a formal code of doctrine, regular services, a regular congregation" are considered.

You, emtrw, cannot claim that you belong to a religion of one that you just made up right now, apply for tax exempt status and expect it to work because "religion." That isn't going to fly. And just because your church is exempt from taxes, you are not.

Here is a Reddit thread explaining this further[1].

And to put this into context relative to the thread, you cannot claim that your religion says burial on the moon is your highest honor and expect it to be taken seriously, when no one is taking the religion older than Christianity seriously, and it's obvious your religion doesn't really exist. The real legal world doesn't operate under video game logic where you just need a cheat code to hack the system.

[0]https://www.fidelislawfirm.com/how-and-why-religious-organiz...

[1]https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/184get7/...

Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by riwsky on Sunday January 07, 2024 @07:59PM (#38906958)
I have some bad news for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by readthenotes1 on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:35PM (#38904894)
You're being unreasonable. A burden of proving harm should be placed on those who want to restrict other people's activities
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by psychlops on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:43PM (#38904958)
Why do you want to respect any wishes of people who believe in imaginary things? That seems odd. I'd suggest your save your respect for those who are rational.
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by triyambakam on Sunday January 07, 2024 @04:07PM (#38905149)
Can you prove that you exist?
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by ars on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:58PM (#38905060)
And presumably you are going to be the arbiter of what is and isn't rational?
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by ogab on Sunday January 07, 2024 @05:54PM (#38906082)
The moon is imaginary?
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by pvaldes on Monday January 08, 2024 @04:39AM (#38909866)
>The moon is imaginary?

Only the cheese part; or all the religious interpretations about it (no exceptions).

Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by Avshalom on Sunday January 07, 2024 @06:28PM (#38906327)
Which bit of turning the moon into a cemetery strikes you as rational?
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by Suzuran on Monday January 08, 2024 @08:30AM (#38911631)
I said basically this about bitcoin and someone tried to send a swat team to my old apartment.
Re:Navajo Nation request to delay private mission placing hu... by itishappy on Monday January 08, 2024 @12:19PM (#38915121)
> Why do you want to respect any wishes of people who believe in imaginary things?

I respect human beings regardless of their beliefs. Having "right thought" be the basis upon which you dole out respect doesn't sound particularly rational to me.

I'd actually argue that refusing to respect people due to differing beliefs is the root cause of much of the suffering we so often attribute to "a belief in the imaginary."