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Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by mertbio on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:25AM (#38877556)
If you are looking for an alternative after this change, I can highly recommend AppSignal: https://www.appsignal.com/

They are based in The Netherlands so I don’t expect them to come up with something like this.

Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by mbix77 on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:28AM (#38877577)
Country doesn't have anything to do with it. Maybe think about self-hosting something if you are concerned about those things. Something like Signoz: https://github.com/SigNoz/signoz
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by buildfocus on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:35AM (#38877622)
If you're migrating from sentry to self hosting, you might as well just self host Sentry itself no? I've never tried myself, but it seems relatively straightforward: https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by pranay01 on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:43AM (#38877688)
Have not tried myself but heard from multiple folks that self hosting sentry is not easy
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by frenchman99 on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:13AM (#38877891)
I've seen it self-hosted too, worked fine with little to no maintenance.

https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/

Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by lazy_moderator1 on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:47AM (#38877701)
i've been doing it for years with zero issues, took like 10 minutes to set up
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by traskjd on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:30AM (#38878013)
I’m JD, co-founder of Raygun (https://raygun.com). We’re a paid alternative in crash report logging and user performance metrics. We’ve been operating for years, not reliant on VCs, and are HQ’d in New Zealand.

I’ve met with many customers over recent months who have told me quite plainly that they have been told none of their data is to go into any AI/LLM system. This is often coming from legal and many understand this may not apply forever, but for now it’s a hard no. While many of these were large organizations, the message was almost universal.

To that end, at Raygun we have always run the business as though all data we receive is the customers’ data. Treat it how I’d want our data treated by one of our suppliers. As we look to release our own AI capabilities this year, we’ve been making it clear that these will be opt-in features. We take the role of being trusted with customer data very seriously, and the trust that is placed in us. We’re already compliant with standards like GDPR and tracking what’s coming around AI rules is something I think we’re all paying close attention to also.

Happy to chat with anyone looking, can match budgets: [email protected]

Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by dewey on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:28AM (#38877578)
> They are based in The Netherlands so I don’t expect them to come up with something like this.

What is this supposed to mean?

Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by mertbio on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:33AM (#38877610)
They are GDPR compliant.
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by dewey on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:43AM (#38877685)
What makes you think Sentry is not?

https://sentry.io/trust/privacy/

Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by DanRubins on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:53AM (#38877741)
I dunno, maybe the utter lack of consent or legal basis for processing?
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by the_mitsuhiko on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:08AM (#38877850)
We (Sentry) absolutely uphold GDPR and all data privacy directives, even in the face of machine learning.
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by DanRubins on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:19PM (#38885784)
So what's your legal basis for processing that data? It ain't consent
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by the_mitsuhiko on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:00PM (#38886240)
We are solely processing data that is in scope of the GDPR on behalf of our customer in fulfillment of the contract. If you submit a GDPR deletion request, we also ensure that the data is delete within the given period.

You can look at the DPA for more details: https://sentry.io/legal/dpa/

Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by DanRubins on Friday January 05, 2024 @08:05PM (#38887209)
Sure, but if you unilaterally change the terms of that contract and don't re-consent for the expanded use, the old lawful basis doesn't really apply, now does it? I mean, whatever, the ICO will explain it to you soon enough with big legal words. Good luck!
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by flaviovs on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @05:53PM (#38933461)
So if one of my error messages leaks sensitive data to Sentry, and therefore gets used for AI training, are you going to delete your entire AI model upon request?

You know that technically that would virtually be the only guaranteed way to comply with such requests, right?

Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by undefinedzero on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:54AM (#38877746)
The US-EU data exchange agreements turn out to not be GDPR compliant time and time again.
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by LunaSea on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:00AM (#38877786)
Not sure why you are getting downvoted, this is absolutely correct.
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by RamblingCTO on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:57AM (#38877766)
The very move of this is a GDPR violation and doesn't stand a chance in EU courts.
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by jsmeaton on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:18AM (#38877917)
How? Which part is a violation?
Re:Sentry new TOS to use data to train AI with no opt-out by RamblingCTO on Friday January 05, 2024 @10:14AM (#38879890)
You cannot just update the TOS including something which warrants a consent.