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Re:Power over fiber by jahnu on Thursday January 04, 2024 @11:16AM (#38868772)
Have these ever been weaponised?
Re:Power over fiber by solardev on Thursday January 04, 2024 @12:31PM (#38869788)
Experimentally, sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_weapon?wprov=sfla1

Big pewpews require big power and it's not super practical yet

Re:Power over fiber by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday January 04, 2024 @04:28PM (#38872504)
Re:Power over fiber by solardev on Thursday January 04, 2024 @08:04PM (#38874422)
Wikipedia says that one is just one unit on one ship (moved to another ship). Has it seen more widespread production since then?

The end of the article mentions another system, HELIOS, but didn't have much more information, and that was only two units, I think?

I believe you, just wondering how widespread these are relative to traditional projectile weapons.

Re:Power over fiber by FuriouslyAdrift on Friday January 05, 2024 @03:43PM (#38884646)
I think they are still in the testing phase but they are being deployed. The Marines do this all the time with all kinds of tech.

I've read that the main reason they like it is more about the incredible long range optics and not the laser, tbh.

Re:Power over fiber by xxs on Thursday January 04, 2024 @12:21PM (#38869669)
They are called direct energy weapons, more like a sci-fi, though.

It'd be a rather short range weapon, that's not easy to aim, require a line-of-sight, can't penetrate armor... or goggles, or fog/dust.

Re:Power over fiber by adrianN on Thursday January 04, 2024 @01:14PM (#38870312)
I’m pretty sure high powered lasers penetrate goggles by just vaporizing them.
Re:Power over fiber by xxs on Thursday January 04, 2024 @01:36PM (#38870576)
True but how would you deploy high powered ones and keep line of sight?
Re:Power over fiber by paradox460 on Thursday January 04, 2024 @03:12PM (#38871641)
Use an X-Ray laser, as Larry Niven liked to use as a MacGuffin in a few of his stories
Re:Power over fiber by cyberax on Thursday January 04, 2024 @11:56AM (#38869324)
It's against the Geneva Convention to use blinding weapons.
Re:Power over fiber by Snow_Falls on Thursday January 04, 2024 @12:14PM (#38869575)
Has the Geneva convention ever stopped anyone? They can only arrest you if you lose the war, and people don't tend to plan for that.
Re:Power over fiber by solardev on Thursday January 04, 2024 @12:33PM (#38869815)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzler_%28weapon%29?wprov=sfl...

They're "intended" to cause only temporary blindness

Re:Power over fiber by xxs on Thursday January 04, 2024 @12:29PM (#38869773)
The application would be more civil than war-alike, if it existed.
Re:Power over fiber by Snow_Falls on Thursday January 04, 2024 @12:52PM (#38870065)
That's even harder to prosecute, pretty much no one is starting a war over what rulers are doing to their own citizens.
Re:Power over fiber by xxs on Thursday January 04, 2024 @08:51PM (#38874770)
Still need a major supplier both the laser emitters and esp. the optics. The weapons will be a lot more expensive compared to conventional weapons, or any anti-riot weaponry.

Aside the sci-fi vibe, I could imagine James Bond esque - still quite hard to use, has to aim for the eyes, scatter can cause collateral damage, doesn't work in fog, rain, etc.

Re:Power over fiber by cyberax on Thursday January 04, 2024 @01:56PM (#38870816)
It has. That's why countries don't have real chemical weapons anymore. They are easy to make (for an industrialized country), but they don't provide any real advantage when both sides in a war have access to them. They just increase misery for everyone involved.

Blinding laser weapons are in the same category.

Re:Power over fiber by Snow_Falls on Thursday January 04, 2024 @05:20PM (#38873102)
That's not really the Geneva convention though, chemicals weapons are just not effective for any actual warfare (aside from committing atrocities).
Re:Power over fiber by Grimblewald on Thursday January 04, 2024 @06:28PM (#38873704)
I'm sorry but that is totally incorrect. Being able to clear out a building without damaging its capacity to provide cover is enormously useful.

Chemical weapons are incredibly useful, just awful.

Re:Power over fiber by nand4011 on Thursday January 04, 2024 @07:28PM (#38874151)
The argument I've seen against their usefulness is that they only work against static militaries that don't have NBC training, and a modern military can already defeat threats like that without paying the political cost of using them.

https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-ch...

Re:Power over fiber by cyberax on Friday January 05, 2024 @09:08PM (#38887650)
> Chemical weapons are incredibly useful

They're not. They're effective against an unprepared adversary. Any real military will have anti-chemical-weapons tactics and protection.

So this happens: you douse a building with a gas, and then walk inside and get shot by defenders in gas masks. And by the way, you also will have to wear a gas mask yourself.

Re:Power over fiber by chipsa on Friday January 05, 2024 @12:10AM (#38875930)
General rule of thumb: if it's been banned, it's useless for the signatories. Ex: chemical weapons, but also biological weapons, land mines, and cluster munitions. Note that land mines and cluster munitions are still actively being used, especially in Ukraine, and the countries that signed onto the ban largely got rid of those systems well before the ban was signed.
Re:Power over fiber by robertlagrant on Thursday January 04, 2024 @03:11PM (#38871640)
Sadly it's not against it to use killing weapons.
Re:Power over fiber by jnwatson on Thursday January 04, 2024 @01:18PM (#38870377)
You betcha. I remember in the late 90s an anti sniper technology that could detect lenses at long distances and fire a laser at them.

The idea was to mess up scope optics, but human heads have lenses too. It was not Geneva Conventions friendly.

Re:Power over fiber by andruby on Thursday January 04, 2024 @02:42PM (#38871299)
I’d love to read more about this. Especially the part about the Geneva Convention.
Re:Power over fiber by cromulent on Thursday January 04, 2024 @04:22PM (#38872443)
I’m guessing it was the Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Blinding_Laser_W...

Re:Power over fiber by jahnu on Friday January 05, 2024 @11:10AM (#38880616)
Wow that’s pretty amazing. Wonder why I’ve never seen it in a film or tv show.