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Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by em-bee on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @04:48PM (#38860378)
not quite: there are zero benefits to smoking. there are some benefits to being connected, therefore the argument is harder to make. we need to look carefully at what the real damaging factors are and eliminate those without isolating youth even further by not allowing them to stay in touch with their friends.
Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by 23B1 on Thursday January 04, 2024 @06:23AM (#38865699)
"there are zero benefits to smoking"

You clearly have no idea how cigarettes were marketed.

"there are some benefits to being connected"

Define 'being connected' because we're not talking about kids calling each other on a party line right now.

Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by em-bee on Thursday January 04, 2024 @09:08AM (#38867116)
i am not talking about marketing, i am talking about facts.

smoking has no benefits, regardless what marketing says.

being connected means the ability of my kids to talk to their friends.

we have no landline anymore. there are also no more payphones if you are outside. a computer or a mobile phone and online messaging are now the only way that my kids can communicate with others.

taking away that tool would be worse than the time when landlines were still common and kids could call their friends at home.

so simply banning social media is not going to work.

what we need is kid friendly communication tools that do not try to drive engagement but just let them send messages and call.

Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by 23B1 on Thursday January 04, 2024 @11:02AM (#38868579)
> we have no landline anymore

Sounds like you figured out the solution on your own.

Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by em-bee on Thursday January 04, 2024 @04:09PM (#38872295)
not really. with a landline my kids could call their friends on their own. now they have to use my phone, or i have to get them a phone of their own. i don't like either choice.
Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by 23B1 on Saturday January 06, 2024 @03:52AM (#38889761)
then reinstall the landline and ditch the cellphones

this isn't hard

Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by em-bee on Saturday January 06, 2024 @11:24AM (#38892697)
not as easy as you think. it really depends on where you are. some places don't even offer landlines anymore, and this will only increase. i am not thinking about right now, but in the future landlines will be gone completely, so this is not a viable solution.

besides you have to consider that all the other kids will not be limited to such a phone.

we need to create communication tools that are "safe" but that kids actually like to use too.

Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by 23B1 on Saturday January 06, 2024 @04:09PM (#38895503)
TIL there's people who've never heard of VOIP phones
Re:Suicide Rates Are Up for Gen Z Across the Anglosphere, Es... by em-bee on Saturday January 06, 2024 @06:38PM (#38896758)
you are not addressing the second part of my comment.

a voip phone won't solve that either.