Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial license revocation

Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @08:25AM (#38853762)

Taiwan is subject to the same equipment dependencies as China. They don’t make the machines, they import them from the Americans, Dutch, and Germans. If China took over Taiwan, they might be able to obtain Salem great semiconductor engineers (but they could just hire them already on work visas), maybe some plans for the next 2 or 3 years on chips they can’t fab without western equipment, but that’s it. Economically, they would gain just land and any people that survive the invasion.

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by pi-e-sigma on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @08:53AM (#38854032)

As if the ASML machines were all that is needed for making cutting edge semiconductors. Why TSMC is in Taiwan and not in Denmark then?

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by a_crc on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @09:23AM (#38854359)

|Why TSMC is in Taiwan and not in Denmark then?

Because the Taiwanese government paid for it to be there in the 80's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC#History

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by pi-e-sigma on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @09:25AM (#38854383)

Whoosh :)

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @07:05PM (#38861489)

I assume you are referring to yourself? It is well know that none of the semiconductor equipment manufacturing is not in Asia due to the PRC. So you get fabs, but not equipment to produce fabs or keep fabs running (all by design, so China doesn't gain much if they take over Korea, Japan, or Taiwan).

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by pi-e-sigma on Thursday January 04, 2024 @07:23AM (#38866105)

How do you think Huawei managed to produce 7nm processors without Western EUV tools lately? Get on with the times instead of living in the past

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday January 04, 2024 @02:07PM (#38870928)

Don't ask them about their yields if you don't want them to lose face.

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by pi-e-sigma on Thursday January 04, 2024 @02:58PM (#38871476)

Nice moving goal posts around :) BTW what's the yield on Intel's 7nm process? Seems it's 0% LOL

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by fomine3 on Thursday January 04, 2024 @11:13PM (#38875623)

As TSMC did 7nm DUV

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by maxglute on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @03:16PM (#38859225)

TW banned their semi engineerings from working in PRC this year. Economically taking over TW short/medium term would basically be placing similar tech sanctions on US/west since TW has some sole source semi inputs for leading edge semi production. Depending on how long it takes western semi to replicate, it evens semi playing field.

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Re:Netherlands blocks ASML exports to China in partial licen... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @06:57PM (#38861427)

Only if TW has also banned their engineers from working in the USA. Also, Taiwan doesn't get great control over where their citizens work...they can't really stop someone from going to the PRC to work (although they can sanction them if they return, dual citizenship with the USA makes even this tricky).

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