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Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by refulgentis on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @07:41PM (#38849232)
It might not be clear from the article, it took me a bit of scanning back and double checking myself: the impossible nonsense picture is _overlaid_ on the left hand picture to produce the right hand picture

which is, at least to our conscious verbalizing mind, ~indistinguishable from the left hand picture. the interesting part is they _are_ distinguishable.

as you point out, you'd expect a human to just be like "uhhhh...either?", but it turns out we do see something subconciously, because people do identify the overlaid image at > chance

Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by ndriscoll on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @08:37PM (#38849649)
I don't think it is subconscious. In the bottom left of the vase picture, the "cat-like" version has "whiskers". The egg has a sort of caty blob on the right (though it's hard for me to decide whether the cat or truck version is more pronounced). The street picture has a white blob in the center that's "sheepier" than the chair version.

To me it seems like a conscious "if I had to pick the more cat-like one, this picture has a bit right here that sort of looks cat-like".

i.e. it's weird to say the images "influence" us. It seems more accurate to say that when prompted, we can perceive/understand what is confusing the model.

Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by Terr_ on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @09:05PM (#38849810)
In the case of giving people to look at subtly-distorted images and asking them "truck-vs-cat" and "chair-vs-sheep", I think it's likely people thought: "Huh, I guess one of those involves artificially constructed angles and the other tends to organic rounded bits, so I'll decide on which seems extra-present."

To me that seems a reasonable--and not very exciting--explanation for why humans may get similar this-or-that answers to a machine-vision model.

Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by refulgentis on Thursday January 04, 2024 @12:29AM (#38863409)
Yeah but that's not what happened