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Re:Introduction to Plan 9 by demizer on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @06:34PM (#38848646)
Crazy to think if plan9 had been MIT licensed from the start it would probably be running the world right now.
Re:Introduction to Plan 9 by api on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @08:09PM (#38849444)
My favorite explanation for the well known “worse is better” observation about systems software is that it’s a downstream of the fact that worse is free.

There have been vastly superior systems to Unix but with commercial licenses.

Re:Introduction to Plan 9 by Thrymr on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @08:36PM (#38849635)
Unix itself was a commercial system, licensed by AT&T to various other companies, that nearly fragmented itself to death before being resurrected by the free/open variants (*BSD, GNU, and Linux). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars
Re:Introduction to Plan 9 by api on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @06:54AM (#38853067)
Everything was commercial back then. My point is that mature free implementations of Unix (BSD, Linux) came before free implementations of any superior systems and so they won.
Re:Introduction to Plan 9 by msla on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @07:21PM (#38849078)
While we're playing this, I wonder what might have become of Inferno had it been Open Sourced back when it was still potentially relevant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(operating_system)

TL;DR: The Unix people make a Java.

Re:Introduction to Plan 9 by AlecSchueler on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @08:41PM (#38849667)
Wow, this one somehow passed me by, thanks for sharing!
Re:Introduction to Plan 9 by MisterTea on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @02:49PM (#38858895)
Inferno is based on plan 9 (shares kernel code)with a user space that fully runs in the VM. However, it can run on very small systems like microcontrollers and someone is currently actively exploring this: https://dboddie.gitlab.io/inferno-diary/index.html
Re:Introduction to Plan 9 by sillywalk on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @10:45PM (#38862748)
Interesting question. I'm always curious at these other operating systems.

I was a teen at the time, but in hindsight, in '96-97 'open source' from commercial vendors wasn't the norm, and Lucent finding income from openInferno would've been big change in business model.

Java was meant to be familiar to C/C++ programmers, of which there were a lot. I'm not sure how Limbo would compare in terms of learning / productivity. And would there have been a Windows native "Inferno/Limbo" IDE type thing. (If there was one, please let me know)

Inferno would've needed a killer app. I assume it'd perform better than Java, and at the time it would've competed with small Java applets. Java desktop didn't happen, I recall Corel trying and failing to port Word Perfect to Java. I don't know how if anybody ever tried to write an office suite in Limbo.