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Re:NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT in... by quickthrower2 on Thursday December 28, 2023 @05:15AM (#38791967)
It is am ethical grey area, but if the paywall applied to all user agents, which would make it similar to say buying a Kindle book, then you might see that as pirating, whereas if you use an archive service that was served the HTTP response and cached it, then you are using a proxy UA.

If the news/magazine doesn't want this they can simple serve a cut down or zero length article to all non-paying viewers! But they want that SEO, and they want that marketing.

Re:NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT in... by Yizahi on Thursday December 28, 2023 @05:48AM (#38792120)
We can extend this analogy. What if someone put up a proxy, that has a legal Netflix subscription and which "watches" streams of Netflix shows, captures actual RGB values of pixels and re-streams the resulting video to anyone else? Isn't it the same "proxy" excuse?
Re:NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT in... by quickthrower2 on Thursday December 28, 2023 @06:31AM (#38792393)
I would say no because the site was happy to serve the content publicly, whereas your proxy is breaking a contractual agreement. Now we get into terms of service of a website, and even if you visit for free you agree to them. Which is a possible point. It is quite grey IMO. In terms of HN I reckon a mag would love the free brand rec. vs. the archive not being shared. Where it hurts them is if someone is avoiding paying for a subscription by continually using archive sites.
Re:NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT in... by EvgeniyZh on Thursday December 28, 2023 @05:19AM (#38791983)
Indeed there are media that are hard paywalled, e.g., the information. However these are prohibited on HN, which possibly create additional bias towards non-hard-paywalled publications