'A business model based on mass copyright infringement'

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by cxr on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @03:28PM (#38786311)

EDIT: The comment I first responded to (quoted in parts below) has been edited to something to something almost completely different. Very uncool.

> ChatGPT keeps redownloading works to avoid the issue of keeping permeant copy’s of the training material

I don't know enough about how ChatGPT works to know whether or not that's true, but from an engineering standpoint it certainly sounds wrong because of how insane it would be if true, and I'm not at all convinced that you're right about this given how poorly you understand the other stuff you're trying to argue that I happen to know you're wrong about, so it doesn't seem unwise to conclude that the same is probably true about your claims here. But it doesn't matter, anyway:

> which would be obvious copyright infringement

Wrong. OpenAI keeps asking for copies, NYT keeps giving them out (whether/despite OpenAI having/not having "permission" or not). Not copyright infringement, let alone "obvious copyright infringement".

This is going to be my last response that takes a substantial amount of effort to compose. Arguing with /r/confidentlyincorrect-tier zero-effort Gish gallops* is not a good use of my time.

* especially from someone shameless about editing their posts after the fact to make them diverge substantially from what was originally written

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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Retric on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @03:43PM (#38786508)

> OpenAI keeps asking for copies, NYT keeps giving them out

The computer said ok isn’t enough or hacking would be legal.

> from an engineering standpoint it certainly sounds wrong

An engineering standpoint is completely irrelevant, this is a pure legal matter. The law is a strange place with it’s own rules you need to actually look into it not just make assumptions.

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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by cxr on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @03:48PM (#38786568)

You seem confused. I didn't eat two tamales for lunch yesterday. I ate three. Don't make assumptions.

(Why do I need to post not just one but two exhortations to follow the basic rules of conversation? If you're going to say something, then say something true, but make sure it's also relevant.)

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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Retric on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @04:05PM (#38786738)

I just explained that “OpenAI keeps asking for copies, NYT keeps giving them out” doesn’t work. Hint what physically happens isn’t legal permission.

If you don’t understand I can clarify, but being obtuse just makes you seem childish.

PS: If analogy is annoy you I could stop, but you don’t understand what’s involved so I am trying to help.

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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by cxr on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @04:08PM (#38786758)

Hitting your partner is at the very least inconsiderate to them. Depending on your jurisdiction, it's probably also varying degrees of illegal. If you need some guidance on how to communicate without expressing it in the form of physical violence, I can try to help, but ultimately it's up to you.

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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Retric on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @05:35PM (#38787670)

Sigh. At least you know when to accept defeat.

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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by cxr on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @06:59PM (#38788384)

The way that the law is treated by courts can be very unintuitive to programmers, who often seem to think that all it takes is to construct some clever bytecode sequence for CourtVM and then you win. It doesn't work like that. There may be someone who can explain in a way that you understand better, but the short version is that you are likely to be very disappointed by treating it like something that can be "hacked".

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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Retric on Thursday December 28, 2023 @03:57PM (#38798499)

I was using existing precedent which doesn’t act like bite code but does weigh heavily, while you were referring to intuition. Such as my point that a computer responding with yes doesn’t override a prior statement that someone doesn’t have permission to use a system which literally has hundreds of examples and isn’t in doubt. You seemingly understand you lost, but keep wanting to respond.

Thus I accept your defeat but find your continued commentary silly.

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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by cxr on Friday December 29, 2023 @08:58AM (#38804904)

It's almost as if posting condescending explanations that don't track the discussion while smugly framing it as if you're correcting some misapprehension of the person you're interacting with is something that can be obnoxious.

It's okay if you're still confused. The world is tricky. Not everyone is equipped to reason about everything they encounter, even they see other people are, and that's okay if you can't. But if you're going to offer your interpretation you need to actually look into what the other person is arguing—not just make assumptions.

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