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Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by pmarreck on Monday December 25, 2023 @08:37PM (#38768140)
It’s incredible to me that not only has Preview.app been the best non-Adobe way to use PDF’s for decades now and only on macOS (perhaps because NextStep, its roots, used PostScript natively?) but that Linux actually also seems to have better tooling in this space than Windows (where you’re pretty much stuck with Adobe Reader if you want a free solution)
Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by wpm on Monday December 25, 2023 @09:48PM (#38768522)
Isn't SumatraPDF a decent program for Windows?

In regards to Preview, I still find it insane that it doesn't have an iOS/iPadOS equivalent. Bits of the functionality are scattered all over the place, usually in ways that don't feel as good as they do on the Mac. Sometimes I just want to open a PDF and leave it open, and not have to do it from Files which assumes I want to do something else with it than just looking.

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by sphars on Monday December 25, 2023 @10:24PM (#38768673)
I personally use SumatraPDF on Windows, but it's basically just a fantastic PDF viewer. It does little else in regards to editing/modifying PDFs. Even the PDF viewer in Edge does more.

But for a lightweight, bloat-free experience, SumatraPDF is the way to go.

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by wolverine876 on Monday December 25, 2023 @08:49PM (#38768234)
> Preview.app been the best non-Adobe way to use PDF’s for decades now

Where is all this stuff coming from? Why would you say Preview is the best? Foxit? Nitro? Their are endless PDF applications much more powerful and capable, some designed for professionals.

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by ornornor on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @01:52AM (#38769453)
For annotating and adding a hand drawn signature to PDFs, preview really is the best: lightweight, straightforward, free, comes with the OS. I don’t know any comparable app for Linux (or windows although I rarely use it)
Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by nip on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @02:21AM (#38769560)
https://simplePDF.eu will be the closest « Preview-like » experience on Linux (and any OS really).

It’s local only (the document you load and data you fill in never leave the browser) and free

Disclosure: I’m the developer behind it

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by Alifatisk on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @12:48PM (#38773969)
Any plans on implementing redaction?
Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by nip on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @04:44PM (#38776401)
If the background is white, it’s already possible: https://simplepdf.eu/help/faq/how-to-add-background

For other colors, it’s in the backlog!

(I’d aiming to automatically provide the correct color by inspecting pixels within the area to redact, to make it as simple as possible)

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by Alifatisk on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @06:22AM (#38780966)
Yeah but hiding the information versus removing it is two different things. By hiding it, the information is still there but hidden.
Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by fauigerzigerk on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @03:19AM (#38769835)
"Best" isn't necessarily the same as "has the most features".

I think many people find that Preview.app does everything they ever wanted to do with PDFs. It really is surprisingly capable. It's also fast and far less convoluted than most PDF tools I have seen.

And of course it comes free with every Mac, which often makes it "best" in terms of value for money.

It doesn't help that many PDF editors (including the two you mentioned) are full of the most ridiculous pricing shenanigans.

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by wolverine876 on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @04:02PM (#38776030)
> many PDF editors (including the two you mentioned) are full of the most ridiculous pricing shenanigans.

What shenanigans? On one computer, we have a 15 year old version of Foxit running as good as new, no further licensing needed.

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @02:38AM (#38779883)
Pages and pages of dark patterns with the sole purpose of misleading people into buying some "plan" that nobody could possibly want at prices more expensive than the entire Microsoft Office suite.
Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by wolverine876 on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @12:36PM (#38784315)
Could you name a service that does it and give an example?

I see that much more with Adobe than with anyone, fwiw.

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by fauigerzigerk on Thursday December 28, 2023 @04:18AM (#38791585)
The Foxit PDF Editor product page is one example (not the worst by far). It suggests prominently that you have to buy an annual subscription ($109 to $159 p.a unless you can live with the cloud option for $59 p.a). Microsoft Office 365 Personal is $69.99 p.a including 1TB cloud storage.

https://www.foxit.com/pdf-editor/

The one-time license option is hidden away in a product comparison table (and linked to in a few other far less visible places).

Nitro, the other PDF editor you mentioned, appears to offer only a one-off purchase:

https://www.gonitro.com/pricing

But it says "for Windows" and at the top of the page, there's a promotion saying "Get up to 1 year subscription - free when you switch to Nitro". So there is a subscription after all?

If you keep scrolling down to the FAQ and there's a question asking:

"Is Nitro available as a subscription or a one-time purchase?

Nitro Pro, ideal for individuals and small to medium sized teams, is available as an annual subscription."

No mention of a one-time purchase option. So which is it? I'm confused. Is this "one-time purchase" a perpetual license or does it stop working after a year?

These are certainly not the most egregious examples of pricing shenanigans. But given the recent history of companies going subscription-only, this is enough uncertainty for me not to buy.

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by kergonath on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @05:46AM (#38770605)
> perhaps because NextStep, its roots, used PostScript natively?

And OS X and its successors use Display PDF natively, which is why it is trivial to save almost anything that can be displayed into a PDF file. The PDF stack that Preview.app leverages is a foundation of the OS itself.

Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by izacus on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @05:48AM (#38770610)
What a bizarre comment - Preview.app isn't even the best PDF software on Apple platforms (it's more likely something like Readdle's PDF Expert).
Re:Stirling-PDF: local web application to perform various op... by Alifatisk on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @06:34AM (#38770871)
There are of course better softwares than the Preview.app, but that's if you are willing to pay for it. Preview.app is free.