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Re:Medical schools do not prepare students to care for autis... by matheusmoreira on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:46PM (#38759513)
Trust me, you don't actually want that. You want selection. You want highly intelligent people to make it into medical school and be highly paid. You also want dumb people to be excluded with extreme prejudice.

You should look into what's going on here in Brazil if you believe otherwise. Politicians here went wild with your "just open schools and train a huge number of doctors" idea. Gotta care for the poor and all that. The result is any moron can become a doctor these days. It was and still is an absolute horror show and it keeps getting worse. People are actually dying and I'm putting it mildly.

I hesitate to go into too much detail because the barbarity I've witnessed is just shameful. Let's just say that literally right now there are doctors working ERs who are not smart enough to diagnose and treat a myocardial infarction correctly.

Re:Medical schools do not prepare students to care for autis... by sudosysgen on Sunday December 24, 2023 @11:26PM (#38759775)
It doesn't take above average intelligence to go through med school, so long as you have high discipline and motivation. Good memory helps the most, really.

There is a simple way to know that we could train more doctors - failure rates are very low, which means that either the MCAT is a better filter than the exams (unlikely!), or that it would be possible to train a lot more doctors.

Re:Medical schools do not prepare students to care for autis... by sarchertech on Monday December 25, 2023 @12:11AM (#38760018)
The failure rate in all graduate education is low, because you’re only taking people who have already performed well for 4 years in undergrad.

For med school specifically, you’re only taking the top performers, then of those you’re filtering further based on MCAT scores.

If you’re that selective and you already have a 15-20% failure rate, I’m not sure that lowering the entry requirements is a great use of resources.

You don’t really want a 40% failure rate. That’s a lot of wasted time, effort, and money.

There are already many alternate career paths for medical practitioners who can’t make it into med school or just don’t want to spend as much time in training.

Re:Medical schools do not prepare students to care for autis... by nradov on Monday December 25, 2023 @12:12AM (#38760020)
Obviously it would be possible to run more students through medical school but that wouldn't give us more practicing doctors. The real bottleneck is in residency slots at teaching hospitals. For peculiar historical reasons almost all graduate medical education is funded by the Federal government through the Medicare program and Congress has been unwilling to increase that.

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Re:Medical schools do not prepare students to care for autis... by watwut on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:54PM (#38759555)
And meanwhile we select by willingness to go through basically hazing on top of inteligence. And meanwhile we routinely have doctors to perform in severely sleep deprived state too for no reason at all.
Re:Medical schools do not prepare students to care for autis... by matheusmoreira on Sunday December 24, 2023 @11:08PM (#38759629)
> on top of intelligence

That's enough for a minimum baseline of quality. Medical school in general is hellish enough to drive people to actual suicide and there's plenty that can be said about that but at least stupid people can't get into these schools.

It could always be worse. It could be a pointless system that inflicted hell on students and minted shitty doctors!