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Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by jacobolus on Saturday December 23, 2023 @10:53PM (#38750945)
I live in the Mission district with young kids, and we walk / take transit all over the city. Smash and grabs of backpacks left in parked cars are annoying, as are bike thefts, and every once in a while a shouting homeless person is a little sketchy, but just like anywhere else in America automobiles are by far the most dangerous feature of daily life for small kids. We've never felt any serious personal safety concern from pedestrians or people hanging out outside.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by j7ake on Sunday December 24, 2023 @12:12AM (#38751316)
Can you compare safety concerns and overall quality with other major cities in the world?

Hard to judge an international city using only American standards.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by laurencerowe on Sunday December 24, 2023 @01:28AM (#38751596)
I moved to San Francisco from the UK about 10 years ago. Fortunately California has relatively strict gun laws so San Francisco is pretty safe for the US if still bad for a developed country.

Homicides per 100k (from a couple of years ago):

    San Francisco: 4.5
    US: 6.3
    UK/France/Germany: 0.8-1.2
(While most of the difference is due to availability of guns the US is just generally more violent and despite what Trump says the US has 1.5x the knife murders of the UK as well as 70x the gun murders. https://www.euronews.com/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-crime-clai... )

Living in the Mission there are a handful of shootings per year. But it's a pretty dense neighbourhood so per population it's probably pretty normal for the US. The level of street homelessness is shocking but not as bad as downtown and you get used to that after a while too. Petty crime is definitely a problem.

Personally I worry more about being hit by a car crossing the road since cars are allowed to drive through the pedestrian crossing even when there is a walk signal.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by runsWphotons on Sunday December 24, 2023 @03:19AM (#38752069)
Maybe we should ban knives too.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by runsWphotons on Sunday December 24, 2023 @02:52PM (#38756229)
20-25,000 murders per year. Around 40,000 fatal car crashes. Around 5-7000 fatal accidents involving pedestrians. Everyone excited about waymo but opposed to gun and knife wielding security robots.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by not_really on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:44AM (#38753409)
You've got numbers for guns and knives, why stop there? Do acid attacks next.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by selimthegrim on Monday December 25, 2023 @10:19AM (#38763290)
Acid attacks where? You don’t possibly mean vitriol throwings, old chap?
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by laurencerowe on Sunday December 24, 2023 @05:25PM (#38757578)
Never knew there were so many gun fans on HN!
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by peyton on Sunday December 24, 2023 @05:43AM (#38752586)
It’s a relatively safe neighborhood if you aren’t black or Mexican. Expect to be vigilant when alone at night if you are. The drug users are more relaxed than in other parts of the city.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by true_religion on Sunday December 24, 2023 @06:22AM (#38752754)
Why is it less safe if you’re black or Mexican?

Is there a racism issue or is it that ethnicity based gangs exist?

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by drywaller on Sunday December 24, 2023 @11:07PM (#38759624)
Nah it's less safe if they think you have something valuable on you and don't look like someone who'll put up a fight. Gangs you run into nowadays are more into robberies & break-ins that fighting with each other.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by hellisothers on Saturday December 23, 2023 @11:03PM (#38751000)
I feel the same, when I travel to other larger cities (Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago, LA, Atlanta, etc) there are similar problems. It’s not an SF problem it’s a city problem, especially the more “downtown’s” it gets as opposed to more “neighborhood’y”.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by jacobolus on Saturday December 23, 2023 @11:07PM (#38751016)
Cities have plenty of problems, but by and large they are not a particular danger to children.

I generally feel significantly safer in cities with relatively walkable sidewalks, relatively narrow streets, and lots of pedestrian/bike traffic than I do in typical American suburbs full of strip malls and 6-lane roads. The latter are in my opinion horrendous places to raise children.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by ponector on Sunday December 24, 2023 @04:52AM (#38752416)
It is not a city problem. It is a US city problem, but people are used to it, the are no incentives to make US cities safer.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by drywaller on Sunday December 24, 2023 @11:12PM (#38759661)
In those other cities, the bad guys tend to live there. Whereas in SF, then tend to "commute" from the east bay.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by nox100 on Saturday December 23, 2023 @11:57PM (#38751256)
Sounds like you're a frog in boiling water. You're so used it you no longer realize the hellhole you live in.

note, I also live in the Mission District and it's a shit hole to me. Gangs hanging out at 20th and Mission fronting for each other. Illegal markets all up and down the street selling stolen goods. Traffic signs and laws being ignored. Valdalism everywhere. Homeless under my window. Mentally ill screaming at 3 am. People drag racing at 2am

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by laurencerowe on Sunday December 24, 2023 @12:36AM (#38751391)
We also live in the Mission district and just had a kid. We love the walkability but are not sure about staying here long term. Obviously house prices are a factor, but I also know people ferrying their kids across the city to school (as school allocation is not based on location in SF) and that sounds completely hellish to me.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by rahimnathwani on Sunday December 24, 2023 @04:08AM (#38752281)

  school allocation is not based on location in SF
This is technically true, but in practice it's up to the parents. If they want to send their kid to their local 'Attendance Area' school, then they can put it as their first choice, and there's a high chance they'll get it.

Most parents who need to drive their kids across the city are doing it because the alternative (their kid goes to the nearest school) is, in some way, worse.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by jacobolus on Sunday December 24, 2023 @11:50PM (#38759918)
Neighborhood/distance will have more influence on the school lottery starting next year.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by alephnerd on Sunday December 24, 2023 @12:54AM (#38751477)
No offense, but as someone who lived in SF as a kid, it blows my mind that (I assume) techie white families are raising their kids in Mission, Potrero, etc.

We lived in those neighborhoods cuz they were cheap and there were community services to fall back on. Once our parents could afford it, they would move out as soon as they could.

Gorehs/Gweilo are weird.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by drywaller on Sunday December 24, 2023 @11:30PM (#38759815)
They're outta there by the time their kids hit middle school. It's a temporary stay
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by jacobolus on Sunday December 24, 2023 @11:52PM (#38759924)
It's not clear during what time frame you grew up, but note that violent crime is dramatically lower than it was 30+ years ago.

It blows my mind that people are so uncaring about their kids' daily experience (mobility, independence, access to interesting activities, ...) as to move to typical American suburbs with their kids. The benefit of the suburbs is a bigger amount of personal space at home for the same price, but everything outside the house kind of sucks, especially for kids.

We're not necessarily the "techie family" you are imagining though; I spent about a quarter of my childhood in a medium-poor city in Mexico, and my wife grew up in China. Personally I really appreciate having a quite diverse cast of neighbors.