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Re:Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use T... by Rebelgecko on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @12:29PM (#38711129)
Eh, I think if NA had forced a standard quickly (which the US has actually sort of done with the infrastructure bill), it would've been CCS which has a lot of downsides
Re:Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use T... by justapassenger on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @12:46PM (#38711375)
Any downside other than bigger plug?

And plug is bigger partially because it needs to support 3 phases, which isn’t a thing in USA houses (while common across the whole world) but is a thing at industrial locations. Tesla plug doesn’t work with 3 phases.

Re:Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use T... by Rebelgecko on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @02:58PM (#38712885)
Bigger plug is a big one, like you mentioned. 3 phase isn't an issue in the US version IIRC, but it still has more pins than NACS to maintain backwards compatibility.

Thicker + heavier cables too (not sure if that's required by CCS or just an implementation difference w/ NACS). Together that makes CCS much more unwieldy than a gas pump.

The NACS latching mechanism is a lot better- latch failures are a big part of why so many J1772 chargers are broken and unusable.

Re:Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use T... by Symbiote on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @01:38PM (#38712044)
CCS1 used in North America is only single phase.

CCS2 used in Europe (and elsewhere) supports three phase.

Re:Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use T... by sebazzz on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @03:05PM (#38712960)
The electricity grid has three phases in the US right? Are devices seldom connected to three phases?
Re:Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use T... by vel0city on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @03:25PM (#38713152)
Three phase power is out there but you never see it in residential and rarely in commercial. It's pretty much just an industrial kind of thing.
Re:Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use T... by rekoil on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @05:12PM (#38714323)
I have two 3-phase 480V 16A sockets in my 50m2 European apartment.
Re:Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi finally say they will use T... by BenjiWiebe on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @10:18PM (#38716624)
I disagree with the rarely in commercial. It's extremely common in commercial environments from what I've seen.