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Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by okasaki on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @09:42AM (#38709174)
I literally cannot get Wayland working. Everything is broken. It's slow, the fractional scaling doesn't work, full screening apps like vlc or games turn off my monitors, the distro installer crashes, playing a youtube video makes my laptop heat up like crazy, one time a display change made my laptop's screen flicker so hard that it persisted after I restored the settings, another time it turned my monitor's bright red and white respectively.

This is on fresh installs of Ubuntu 22.04 and 23.10.

X11 with XFCE and i3 with picom works perfectly. It's blazing fast, has no tearing, never crashes, uses next to no resources, has no bugs and runs everything. I even use ddccontrol to change my external monitor's brightness.

Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by temp0826 on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @09:47AM (#38709215)
Maybe try a more modern distro like Fedora. I haven't had any issue with it (intel igpu+nvidia dgpu) in a while.
Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by ApolloFortyNine on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @09:50AM (#38709247)
Op mentioned ubuntu 23.10... which was released two months ago.
Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by hedora on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @09:56AM (#38709325)
I noticed all sorts of horrible breakage in Ubuntu (including LTS updates) over the last 3-5 years (I gave up on it in the 20.* days for anything except VMs / docker containers) Examples included DNS taking 5 seconds to resolve each host, the syslog fiasco, systemd flat out not working, etc, etc.

Maybe that's what they're referring to?

(At this point, I'm looking for anything that's stable and still uses a normal init + x11, FWIW. I wouldn't consider Fedora, since it's owned by IBM, and Red Hat's new business model under them is "systematically violate the GPL and see if we can get away from it".)

Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by vetinari on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @10:08AM (#38709454)
I have one machine with ubuntu 22.04, and I've never seen any of the described issues. I doubt that 23.10 regressed.
Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by temp0826 on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @09:59AM (#38709357)
That's not really what I meant by modern
Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by ofrzeta on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @10:08AM (#38709452)
So, modern by your own definition of "modern". What is it exactly besides being Fedora?
Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by shadowgovt on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @09:51AM (#38709260)
Outside of using Wayland, do you do much 3D rendering?

The symptoms you describe almost sound like a dying 3D graphics card (or 3D graphics card with misconfigured drivers). I wonder if Wayland is requiring the 3D layer to do its compositing and other window engines don't?

Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by vetinari on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @10:21AM (#38709621)
Wayland compositors will happily use gpu 3d engine, if it is available. Otherwise, they will do their job with Mesa's software rendering.

They also accept dma-buf handles from clients, so if other software on the system does use gpu, the compositor has somehow to do its composition, and zero-copy if possible.

Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by okasaki on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @11:58AM (#38710782)
My laptop isn't dying, dude. It works perfectly in Windows 11 and X11, including running the latest games.
Re:Wayland vs. X – Overview by shadowgovt on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @01:29PM (#38711930)
Fair enough. I only suggested it because it turned out to be the root cause the last time my video flaked that badly. Heat sink had failed.