Re:Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17
by chrisandchris on Saturday December 16, 2023 @02:25PM
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Doesn't that contradict itself? If the attacker fakes the shutdown process (and/or the reboot process), how does a shutdown or reboot help if the process never actually happens?
Re:Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17
by tholdem on Sunday December 17, 2023 @01:17PM
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Sorry my reply was poorly written. Like with anything, there will be vulnerabilities and techniques that allow for verified boot bypass, which most are not trivial and which need to be fixed, but that does not mean verified boot isn't valuable and working. It means extra cost and work for threat actors and the example was just how it was once done, by not attacking verified boot, but the process before it. Maybe because true persistence was too hard to achieve at the moment, thanks to properly implemented verified boot.
Once the battery runs out completely, then you can be sure verified boot is helping you out. I'm sure there are now other mechanisms that fixed the example of faking the boot process I wrote about earlier.
For example, this makes malware persistence much more difficult, as verified boot checks for integrity at every boot and reverses any unsigned changes.
Persistence on iOS and Android is very difficult. As an example, at least on iOS, threat actors have sometimes failed to achieve persistence, so they hijack the shutdown process and simply fake shutdown by animating the shutdown flow. The user thinks they've shut down the phone, but in reality the device was never shut down and never went through the verified boot process. However, since Steve Jobs decided iOS never needs a manual reboot, gaining persistence may not even be necessary, because people don't reboot their iPhones.