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Re:Suspects can refuse to provide phone passcodes to police,... by teeray on Friday December 15, 2023 @04:52PM (#38659267)
> since the passcode is not (necessarily) evidence in itself

Unless the passcode is a decryption key, in which case the evidence simply does not exist without the passcode. It is indistinguishable from random noise. It’s less like “unlocking a safe,” and more like “instructing nanobots to reassemble a pile of dirt into evidence.”

Re:Suspects can refuse to provide phone passcodes to police,... by cwillu on Friday December 15, 2023 @05:16PM (#38659496)
You might have an argument if there was no authentication/error-detection on the ciphertext, such that many keys would give valid decodings, and more so if it was a simple xor, such that any plain text could be a valid decoding given the appropriate key. But that's not a remotely practical cryptosystem for several reasons.
Re:Suspects can refuse to provide phone passcodes to police,... by pdabbadabba on Friday December 15, 2023 @04:59PM (#38659336)
This seems like a highly questionable metaphysical argument. The decryption key does exist and, therefore, so does the information. The question is just who has access to that passcode.
Re:Suspects can refuse to provide phone passcodes to police,... by photonbucket on Friday December 15, 2023 @04:57PM (#38659314)
I can't see a judge swallowing that logic, you do have something similar to a metal safe's key and you've refused to provide it