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Re:The Rise and Fall of the 'IBM Way' by saiya-jin on Friday December 15, 2023 @02:10PM (#38657494)
'Fond' memories for monstrosities like Websphere or MQ servers. Take trivial JMS or less-trivial-but-grokkable J2EE spec, add 10x more ultra-proprietary stuff that is very complex to grok compared to original spec, solves little on top in real world, makes you utterly vendor-locked in for every app until complete rewrite. You need additional Eclipse-based apps to work with it at all, and IIRC they were costly as hell too. Rinse and repeat.

Then there was Weblogic, that worked as well and mostly by standards. Devs I met everywhere loved it.

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Re:The Rise and Fall of the 'IBM Way' by meepmorp on Friday December 15, 2023 @05:02PM (#38659356)
> Take trivial JMS or less-trivial-but-grokkable J2EE spec,

MQSeries predates Java itself and started out on MVS; it was already the way it is when the JMS spec was developed. There's no real excuse for WebSphere, though.

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