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Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by lazide on Thursday December 14, 2023 @11:46PM (#38651075)
Except they aren’t, which is why they are there and there is a heliopause instead of them being in interstellar space and there not being a heliopause.

If they had greater than escape velocity, they’d be escaping and we’d not see the graph we see.

Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by grey-area on Friday December 15, 2023 @12:53AM (#38651407)
Orbit means going very fast around something in a circular motion. These particles are heading directly streaming out from the sun, not going round it.

As I understand it it’s where these particles reach equilibrium with the stellar medium. The sun is like a comet at a large enough scale, with a long tail of particles as it moves through the galaxy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliosphere

Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by lazide on Friday December 15, 2023 @07:24AM (#38653450)
The particles don’t meaningfully interact, they aren’t dense enough.
Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by adwn on Friday December 15, 2023 @09:05AM (#38654257)
They interact via the electromagnetic force.
Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by lazide on Saturday December 16, 2023 @09:54PM (#38669937)
So that graph showing no interactions is lying?
Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by pdonis on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:55PM (#38690034)
The graph is not a graph of interactions between solar wind particles and interstellar medium particles. It is a graph of solar wind particles detected by Voyager 1.
Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by pdonis on Friday December 15, 2023 @11:46AM (#38655901)
They are plenty dense enough to interact given that it's plasma.
Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by lazide on Saturday December 16, 2023 @09:54PM (#38669935)
You might want to re-read that graph. And conservation of momentum means the particles leaving the sun don’t stop rotating when they leave the sun - the sun is rotating.
Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by pdonis on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:56PM (#38690045)
> You might want to re-read that graph.

You might want to re-read the Wikipedia page. It explicitly says that Voyager 1 saw the density of plasma around it increase by a factor of 40 as it crossed the heliopause. (For Voyager 2, it was a factor of 20, as I have posted elsewhere in this discussion.) It also explicitly says that the solar wind is stopped at the heliopause due to the pressure of the interstellar medium, which, last I checked, means the interstellar medium is interacting with the solar wind.

> conservation of momentum means the particles leaving the sun don’t stop rotating when they leave the sun - the sun is rotating

Sure, with a period of about 27 days. Go do the math and compare the tangential velocity that equates to with the tangential velocity required to orbit the Sun just above the Sun's surface.

Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by pdonis on Friday December 15, 2023 @11:46AM (#38655896)
> If they had greater than escape velocity, they’d be escaping

Only if the space they were escaping into were vacuum. Which it isn't. What stops them is not the Sun's gravity but the plasma in the interstellar medium.

Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by lazide on Saturday December 16, 2023 @09:56PM (#38669944)
If the intersteller medium is not a vacuum, what is? Last I checked, it was literally billions of times lower density than the hardest vacuum we’ve been able to produce on earth.
Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by pdonis on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:08PM (#38689057)
> If the intersteller medium is not a vacuum, what is?

There is no threshold of low enough density at which there is suddenly "vacuum". If there are particles present, there are particles present, and they can have effects.

> Last I checked, it was literally billions of times lower density than the hardest vacuum we’ve been able to produce on earth.

[Edit--these numbers are off--see my post downthread]

And the solar wind is much, much less dense than that. Interstellar medium density is about a trillion particles per cubic meter. Solar wind density is about 5 thousand particles per cubic meter. So the interstellar medium is more than dense enough to stop the solar wind.

Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by lazide on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:20PM (#38689207)
Cite? Everything I see indicates solar wind density is 10-100 times interstellar medium density.

I suspect you got your numbers reversed.

Re:Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth by pdonis on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:52PM (#38690012)
> Cite?

You are correct that the numbers I cited were off, because I had neglected to check specifically for numbers at the heliopause. Here is a better set of numbers:

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019NatAs...3.1024G/abstra...

The plasma density in the outer heliosphere is typically about 0.002 cm-3. The first electron density measured by the Voyager 2 plasma wave instrument in the interstellar medium, 0.039 cm-3 ± 15%, was on 30 January 2019 at a heliocentric radial distance of 119.7 au. The density jump, about a factor of 20, confirms that Voyager 2 crossed the heliopause.

In other words, the density of the interstellar medium just outside the heliopause, as detected by Voyager 2, was about 20 times larger than the density of the plasma just inside the heliopause.